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Hi Everyone,

 

Sorry, been at work all day and no access to internet (and might have been out on the beers last night). It's become very difficult to mod recently and I'd have swung the banning sword quite widely (and wildly) recently if this has been my site. But it's not and I don't want to cause any harm to the good work DrBubb et al. have done.

 

As mods we do 'work' here for free and do our best to help the forum. We don't have any easy way of chatting to each other about a questionable post in real time as we all live in different time zones. So we basically have to wing it and act alone, hoping we don't go too far or are too lenient in each circumstance.

 

However, the level of frustration is now so high amoungst sop many posters I will be acting differently.

 

From now on if I see any posts that are over the line (and you all know where the line is) I will suspend that members posting privileges until DrBubb returns and 'decriminalises them' if he chooses to. Other mods, please do also feel free to un-ban people and I'll bow to your judgement without any bad feelings.

 

I will ban and not answer questions about why someone was banned nor hear any arguments in their favour.

 

Those many of you with the brilliant, insightful, witty posts, please continue to post without fear and make sure you do not rise to the bait if provoked.

 

The minute you see a disrespectful post, hit the report button and I'll get onto it.

 

Sylvester

 

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Hi Everyone,

 

The minute you see a disrespectful post, hit the report button and I'll get onto it.

 

Sylvester

Thanks, the work of the mods is appreciated. It's an unenviable and thankless task [/brownnoseoff]

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Is there a clear set of rules?

 

If people are banned for having a 'strong opinion' or indeed getting heated and emotional in their discussion then that will detract from the site. Indeed it's in these exchanges that I get to see a better insight into a persons opinion. If this borders censorship then that's fine, I'll just find somewhere else to spend my breaks and lunch time. I can really see parallels between HPC and what's going here right now!

 

Racist, foul mouth, trolling or just plain rude I can understand. I don't want to see that stuff either.

 

edited due to poor english grammar

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Those many of you with the brilliant, insightful, witty posts, please continue to post without fear and make sure you do not rise to the bait if provoked.

 

Will do :)

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Is there a clear set of rules?

 

If people are banned for having a 'strong opinion' or indeed getting heated and emotional in their discussion then that will detract from the site. Indeed it's in these exchanges that I get to see a better insight into a persons opinion. If this borders censorship then that's fine, I'll just find somewhere else to spend my breaks and lunch time. I can really see parallels between HPC and what's going here right now!

 

Racist, foul mouth, trolling or just plain rude I can understand. I don't want to see that stuff either.

 

edited due to poor english grammar

 

I'm not sure that rules are required so much as manners. In the words of Edmund Burke:-

 

 

“Manners are of more importance than laws... Manners are what vex or soothe, corrupt or purify, exalt or debase, barbarize or refine us, by a constant, steady, uniform, insensible operation, like that of the air we breathe in.”

 

Edited to add:

 

More importantly, manners are self-adopted, rules are imposed.

 

The minute we seek rules, we are requesting to be controlled by exterior powers and averring that we are incapable of any form of self-regulation - the hall mark of the enslaved.

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I suggest we adopt the rules of the David Icke forum, they seem perfectly reasonable to me. Icke is a big believer in fighting for freedom and democracy (well, that's what he says).

 

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I'm not sure that rules are required so much as manners. In the words of Edmund Burke:-

 

 

“Manners are of more importance than laws... Manners are what vex or soothe, corrupt or purify, exalt or debase, barbarize or refine us, by a constant, steady, uniform, insensible operation, like that of the air we breathe in.”

 

Edited to add:

 

More importantly, manners are self-adopted, rules are imposed.

 

The minute we seek rules, we are requesting to be controlled by exterior powers and averring that we are incapable of any form of self-regulation - the hall mark of the enslaved.

 

i totally agree with this

 

the manners displayed by certain posters lately have been poor.

 

however, whenever we get these levels of market volatility, this seems to be a repeating pattern

 

 

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Agree with No6 also

 

abbreviated to save space but agree 100% with 100%

 

 

catflap and harvipark amoungst others are very useful members of GEI and shouldnt be allowed to leave

 

Maybe if certain people are causing constant trouble a longer ban is in order.

 

GOM I seem to remember a while ago stated he had made his last post here ?

 

& Goldfinger - you were exactly right to start your longer term gold thread. The monthly gold thread seems to be a cause of irritation between certain posters. Likewise the hyperinflation thread also seems to cause disputes. In all seriousness - what are these threads good for? If the idea of trading gold annoys you (you is the person reading this, not Goldfinger) stay away - likewise to sensible GEI posters consider those threads to have a health warning.

If we are adults we should be capable of having sensible discussions without getting upset. We should be able to trade opinions not insults. We should be able to accept a little ribbing while refraining from upsetting others ?

 

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Is there a clear set of rules?

 

Of course.

Rigidly defined areas of doubt & uncertainty, according to one Douglas Adams

 

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I suggest we adopt the rules of the David Icke forum, they seem perfectly reasonable to me. Icke is a big believer in fighting for freedom and democracy (well, that's what he says).

 

No problem here with those rules

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No problem here with those rules

 

I quite liked those rules but it will be up to DrBubb whether he wants to implement them or not. Until then, posting with good manners (as methinkshe points out) is the best guide I can give. And I certainly won't ban anyone with contrary or strong opinions that may get emotional on a subject. That's what makes threads (even more) interesting.

 

 

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Hi Everyone,

 

Sorry, been at work all day and no access to internet (and might have been out on the beers last night). It's become very difficult to mod recently and I'd have swung the banning sword quite widely (and wildly) recently if this has been my site. But it's not and I don't want to cause any harm to the good work DrBubb et al. have done.

 

As mods we do 'work' here for free and do our best to help the forum. We don't have any easy way of chatting to each other about a questionable post in real time as we all live in different time zones. So we basically have to wing it and act alone, hoping we don't go too far or are too lenient in each circumstance.

 

However, the level of frustration is now so high amoungst sop many posters I will be acting differently.

 

From now on if I see any posts that are over the line (and you all know where the line is) I will suspend that members posting privileges until DrBubb returns and 'decriminalises them' if he chooses to. Other mods, please do also feel free to un-ban people and I'll bow to your judgement without any bad feelings.

 

I will ban and not answer questions about why someone was banned nor hear any arguments in their favour.

 

Those many of you with the brilliant, insightful, witty posts, please continue to post without fear and make sure you do not rise to the bait if provoked.

 

The minute you see a disrespectful post, hit the report button and I'll get onto it.

 

Sylvester

Hi

Your mod efforts are appreciated

But your latest approach is not moderation, it is police state authoritarianism.

Moderation is very hard because it requires time, attention, and balanced judgement. So the job excludes imposing authoritarian decisions. If you're instead resorting to the latter, then I respectfully suggest you consider whether you should step down from being a mod until you have more time, patience, and respect for other's rights.

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Hi

Your mod efforts are appreciated

But your latest approach is not moderation, it is police state authoritarianism.

Moderation is very hard because it requires time, attention, and balanced judgement. So the job excludes imposing authoritarian decisions. If you're instead resorting to the latter, then I respectfully suggest you consider whether you should step down from being a mod until you have more time, patience, and respect for other's rights.

 

I respectfully disagree. I will be using my patience, attention, and balanced judgement and if I find a post lacking then I will issue the suspension. I have not lost my head nor decided to ban everyone that has an opinion that I disagree with, I have decided to enforce manners on this forum by a threat of suspension. I really hope I don't have to ban anyone but I will if the current nastiness / trolling / abuse / bullying continues.

 

Best regards

Sylvester

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I will ban and not answer questions about why someone was banned nor hear any arguments in their favour.

I think you should re-think that one, seems completely unreasonable and as far removed from "moderation" as you can get.

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I think you should re-think that one, seems completely unreasonable and as far removed from "moderation" as you can get.

I see you still have'nt given up yet CJ trying to get an understanding of where the goal posts are.

Wasting your time i personally feel.

Its ok for other posters to start there own voting polls on voting off fellow members that seems acceptable,EVEN THOUGH IT WAS A COMPLETE FAILURE 12 votes. :lol::lol::lol:

Thats about what the thread was worth.

PATHETIC ATTEMPT by what can be clearly seen by all who can be bothered to read the utter tosh being spawned,that the Plaintiff is actually the worst TROLL on the forum.

 

I think freedom of expression has been clearly lost.

Do people realise there is an ignore feature on the forum.

WHAT IS THE REAL AGENDA OF POSTERS WHO CONTINUALLY VENOMOUSLY CALL FOR THE BANNING OF OTHER POSTERS.??

All who want to contribute to a public forum should be allowed to do so,those constantly calling for banning should be rigorously scrutinised for their real agenda and motivations.!!

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I see you still have'nt given up yet CJ trying to get an understanding of where the goal posts are.

Wasting your time i personally feel.

Yes and I have to say I am even more confused than before.

 

Some of the language of respected posters over the last few days has been outrageous and yet here they are getting hugs and kisses all around.

 

Taken a bit of a roasting in the pms market this week but can still rise above it all easy come easy go.

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Its ok for other posters to start there own voting polls on voting off fellow members that seems acceptable,EVEN THOUGH IT WAS A COMPLETE FAILURE 12 votes. :lol::lol::lol:

Thats about what the thread was worth.

PATHETIC ATTEMPT by what can be clearly seen by all who can be bothered to read the utter tosh being spawned,that the Plaintiff is actually the worst TROLL on the forum.

 

 

A complete failure, really?

 

I didn't vote but it seems that 50% of those people want you banned - add my vote and it's a majority. That's pretty impressive considering the only people hanging about on GEI these days seem to be gold nutters and the the mod that saved you from futher humiliation was himself a ..... well he likes gold a lot.

 

Anyway, I'm sure had the poll been left up it would have been something like 80% to 90% that would have wanted you to feck off. We didn't get a chance to PM the good posters that you've recently driven away - GOM would probably been voted off, but by a smaller margin I think, say 55%.

 

Anyway if you take time to read the comments THE VAST MAJORITY OF GEI MEMBERS DON'T WANT YOU HERE, OK?

 

Go find yourself a new forum to troll.

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Is there a place on GEI (or should there be) where all registered posters are listed, with some function that would allow others to award them a star or a bad mark. That way, we could all watch the tallys changing with time, and the mods would have a democratic measure of who (if anyone) is really pi55ing everyone else off and ruining GEI.

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Is there a place on GEI (or should there be) where all registered posters are listed, with some function that would allow others to award them a star or a bad mark. That way, we could all watch the tallys changing with time, and the mods would have a democratic measure of who (if anyone) is realli pi55ing everyone else off and ruining GEI.

I can't help to think that this could be a very bad* idea. It's like allowing school kids to vote the most unliked teachers out. These teacher might be their best, they only don't know it.

 

This by the way is why I haven't left this forum yet. Some of the stuff AAK or sparky write keeps me sharp, because it reminds me why I started buying gold in the first place.

 

EDIT: * Sorry, typo at first!!

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Is there a place on GEI (or should there be) where all registered posters are listed, with some function that would allow others to award them a star or a bad mark. That way, we could all watch the tallys changing with time, and the mods would have a democratic measure of who (if anyone) is realli pi55ing everyone else off and ruining GEI.

 

i think that would only work if you knew who had made the corresponding tick or cross, that way the person making the tick or cross would think twice before making their assessment

 

however, i think this is the wrong approach since it is still open to abuse; it could also be argued that such a system would support 'group think'

 

if we all agreed to some basic principles (re. keeping on topic - respecting each other) from the start, then any deviation from this could be judged (by a mod etc.) accordingly

 

I posted some thoughts on this earlier. feel free to rip it to shreds!

 

 

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Hi

Your mod efforts are appreciated

But your latest approach is not moderation, it is police state authoritarianism.

Moderation is very hard because it requires time, attention, and balanced judgement. So the job excludes imposing authoritarian decisions. If you're instead resorting to the latter, then I respectfully suggest you consider whether you should step down from being a mod until you have more time, patience, and respect for other's rights.

 

I understand your concerns, but in order to moderation as you have suggested requires basic rules and support, attempts at establishing these basic requirements have previously been sabotaged on numerous occasions. The discussion to establish basic standards was misrepresented as 'telling people what they can say' a classic straw man argument used along with the rhetorical vague-freespeech fallacy to limit attempts to establish basic standards.

 

I feel the need to emphasise that we should not attempt to find a solution or argue over this matter until DrBubb has returned and had chance to get the time to see what has gone on.

The David Icke forum rules are highly relevant, as are the rules that Pixil8rs website 24k have displayed in the main forum

 

 

http://www.24knews.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&a...id=4774bccb80d3

 

2. No flaming, name calling, or generally being lame. If someone is verbally abusive towards you, be an adult and ignore the other person. You can also report a post to the moderator by clicking this image . This is not real life, and all the name calling in the world will not settle your argument.

 

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6. For any personal comments about other members or the way the board is being run please use the members only section.

 

Any discussion about Trolling, banning, moderation policy, standards etc.. should take place in a members only section of the forum such as 'About GEI' this way new visitors do not get to see the the ugly side of forum disputes and more importantly it will starve the trollish element of the attention that they crave.

 

 

The standard internet protocol of 'not feeding the trolls' has the effect of giving the impression that trollish behaviour is acceptable, this is why some posters feel the need to react to combat the threat. I would suggest that this is not the time nor the place. I will be weighing in 'heavily' on this topic when DrBubb has returned and had chance to catch up, and I would urge all those with strong opinions to hold and refine their thoughts until we have the chance to channel them in a manner that influences the forum in a positive manner.

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The standard internet protocol of 'not feeding the trolls' has the effect of giving the impression that trollish behaviour is acceptable, this is why some posters feel the need to react to combat the threat. I would suggest that this is not the time nor the place. I will be weighing in 'heavily' on this topic when DrBubb has returned and had chance to catch up, and I would urge all those with strong opinions to hold and refine their thoughts until we have the chance to channel them in a manner that influences the forum in a positive manner.

Just a reminder to the good posters on this site. Please refrain from feeding the trolls. By responding to trolls you are only encouraging them!

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I can't help to think that this could be a very bad* idea. It's like allowing school kids to vote the most unliked teachers out. These teacher might be their best, they only don't know it.

 

This by the way is why I haven't left this forum yet. Some of the stuff AAK or sparky write keeps me sharp, because it reminds me why I started buying gold in the first place.

 

EDIT: * Sorry, typo at first!!

Are you planning to leave?

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