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Saturn moon Titan may harbour an ocean

 

SCIENTISTS have reported on the strongest sign yet that Saturn's giant moon may have a salty ocean beneath its chilly surface.

If confirmed, it would catapult Titan into an elite class of solar system moons harbouring water, an essential ingredient for life.

Titan boasts methane-filled seas at the poles and a possible lake near the equator. And it's long been speculated Titan contains a hidden liquid layer, based on mathematical modelling and electric field measurements made by the Huygens spacecraft that landed on the surface in 2005.

The latest evidence is still indirect, but outside scientists said it's probably the best that can be obtained short of sending a spacecraft to drill into the surface.

 

The research looks convincing, said Gabriel Tobie of France's University of Nantes.

"If the analysis is correct, this is a very important finding," Mr Tobie said.

 

The finding by an international team of researchers was released by the journal, Science. The scientists pored over data from the orbiting Cassini spacecraft, which flew by Titan half a dozen times between 2006 and last year and took gravity measurements for a glimpse of its interior.

They found Titan got squeezed and stretched depending on its orbit around Saturn, suggesting the presence of a buried ocean. If Titan were solid rock and ice, such deformations would not occur.

 

"Titan is quite squishy," said Jonathan Lunine of Cornell University, part of the research team.

Previous estimates suggested the ocean could be 48 to 99km deep with traces of ammonia. Titan is one of the few worlds in the solar system with a significant atmosphere, and an underground ocean could help explain how Titan replenishes methane in its hazy atmosphere.

Its body of water would also make Titan an attractive place to study whether it could support microbial life.

 

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I missed out this longer talk by Carolyn Parco from 2007

 

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Norman Bergrun the 91 year old author of "Ringmakers of Saturn"

 

/ I am starting to listen now /

 

 

In June of 2012 on the way to the Sacramento UFO Conference, we had the good fortune to interview Norman Bergrun the 91 year old author of "Ringmakers of Saturn". Norman is a scientist/engineer who worked in an above top secret capacity (his level of clearance, way above the President) for Lockheed. Prior to that he was at NACA a precursor to NASA.

 

Upon leaving Lockheed, he wrote "Ringmakers of Saturn" about the enormous craft spotted in the rings of Saturn and became something of an outcast in the scientific community. This interview covers his views on time travel, the nature of the vehicles that he says are creating the rings and much more... His conclusion is that the Ringmakers of Saturn are now creating rings around other planets and they are on their way here....

 

Groundbreaking and a real wake-up call for the mainstream scientific community not to mention the World.

 

Kerry Cassidy

Project Camelot June 2012

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"When I publish the next time it will be like $1000" I agree with brighton4343, that is BS. Make the book affordable for the average joe. Does he not understand that he won't sell many at that price. Do a run of 5000 and price them at $50 each. I would have thought that someone of 91 years of age, would have forsaken greed in exchange for the public good. I guess not.

 

jgfergus in reply to daveskiau

 

Exaxtly.

At his age, he should be thinking of his legacy,

not just making money. Strange. Makes me want to take his comments with salt

 

 

Although the subject IS fascinating I was sorely disappointed with this interview. I found NORMAN BERGRUN to be evasive to the extreme as well as one of the most boring individuals ever to be grace the video interviews of Project Camelot.

 

I found his oblique equivocating answers and explanations pretty much worthless. I wanted to learn more from his supposed experiences! "A wink is as good as a nod to a blind horse."

 

t4705mb6 4 hours ago

 

Norm needed to be more clear and spill more beans for me to buy his book. Kinda of waste of time for someone that follows Camelot..

Evolution292 4 hours ago

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(after listening to most of it):

 

If Percival Lowell were alive today, and had a book to sell about the "Canal Makers of Mars", I think he could offer up more evidence and a more compelling story than Bergrun does here.

 

If there is more to offer here than just an interpretation of some images, I would like to get some sense of that from Bergrun.

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Saturn's rings are *not* natural, but are some type of effluent from massively huge, cylindrical objects,

themselves measured in terms of earth diameters!

 

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5.0 out of 5 stars stunning fuel for paradigm change

A remarkable work.

Dr. Bergrun does not believe in computerized photo enhancement. Rather, he rephotographs portions of Voyager images - of Saturn and its moons - after optically enlarging the original photo in, I believe, a microscope. Dr. Bergrun makes a yeoman's effort to explain what he is seeing in lay terms. Still a bit technical, enough is there to get his...

 

http://www.amazon.com/Ringmakers-Saturn-Norman-R-Bergrun/product-reviews/0946270333/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

 

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A rare image of the ring system of the planet Uranus has been captured by NASA's Hubble Space Telescope, using the onboard JPL-built and designed Wide Field Planetary Camera 2.

 

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The view, tilted edge-on to Earth, was photographed on August 14, 2007. Earthbound astronomers only see the rings' edge every 42 years as the planet follows a leisurely 84-year orbit about the sun. However, the last time the Uranus rings were tilted edge-on to Earth, astronomers didn't even know they existed.

 

/more: http://spaceports.blogspot.hk/2007/08/hubble-snags-rare-view-of-uranus-rings.html

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Jupiter's Rings

 

Jupiter has rings like Saturn's, but much fainter and smaller. They were totally unexpected and were only discovered when two of the Voyager 1 scientists insisted that after traveling 1 billion km it was at least worth a quick look to see if any rings might be present.

 

Everyone else thought that the chance of finding anything was nil, but there they were. It was a major coup. They have since been imaged in the infra-red from ground-based telescopes and by Galileo.

 

Unlike Saturn's, Jupiter's rings are dark and have an albedo about .05. They're probably composed of very small grains of rocky material. Unlike Saturn's rings, they seem to contain no ice.

 

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The ring is now known to be composed of three major components. The main ring is about 7000 km wide and has an abrupt outer boundary 129,130 km from the center of the planet. The main ring encompasses the orbits of two small moons, Adrastea and Metis, which may act as the source for the dust that makes up most of the ring.

 

At its inner edge the main ring merges gradually into the halo. The halo is a broad, faint torus of material about 20,000 km thick and extending halfway from the main ring down to the planet's cloudtops. Just outside the main ring is a pair of broad and exceedingly faint gossamer rings, one bounded by the moon Amalthea and the other bounded by the moon Thebe.

 

http://www.practicalspace.com/jupiter/rings/index.php

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http://johnkettler.com/comment-page-684/#comment-18156

Laurent says:

July 4, 2012 at 5:57 am

I just received the last newsletter from Project Camelot.

In June of 2012 on the way to the Sacramento UFO Conference, we had the good fortune to interview Norman Bergrun the 91 year old author of Ringmakers of Saturn. Norman is a scientist/engineer who worked in an above top secret capacity (his level of clearance, way above the President) for Lockheed.

Prior to that he was at NACA a precursor to NASA.

Upon leaving Lockheed, he wrote Ringmakers of Saturn about the enormous craft spotted in the rings of Saturn and became something of an outcast in the scientific community. This interview covers his views on time travel, the nature of the vehicles that he says are creating the rings and much more… His conclusion is that the Ringmakers of Saturn are now creating rings around other planets and they are on their way here….

Groundbreaking and a real wake-up call for the mainstream scientific community not to mention the World.

Kerry Cassidy

Project Camelot

You have some insight about that one?

 

 

 

Sunfire says:

July 4, 2012 at 8:21 am

Hey,

Not at the moment, dont think the ET/EDs or John and I have yet had time to look into that one. Maybe some of the others here will chime in on their thoughts. But, I do know at least here in 3D Saturn is uninhabited.

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http://johnkettler.com/comment-page-684/#comment-18156

"at least here in 3D Saturn is uninhabited"

If there is life there, it is not likely to be on the planet, with crushing gravity, but:

 

+ On the Moons, or

+ In spacecraft orbiting the planet (near the rings, if NB is correct)

 

What would be the PURPOSE of making rings?, that's what I wonder in contemplating this

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Fifth Moon around "dwarf planet" Pluto

 

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A cosmic discovery: Astronomers using NASA's Hubble Space Telescope find fifth moon orbiting PlutoMoon was discovered during preparations for a spaceflight to the icy dwarf planet

 

It is of irregular shape and is believed to measure six to 15 miles across

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Pluto’s largest moon, Charon, was discovered in 1978 in observations made at the United States Naval Observatory in Washington, D.C.

 

Hubble observations in 2006 uncovered two additional small moons, Nix and Hydra. In 2011 another moon, P4, was found in Hubble data.

 

Provisionally designated S/2012 (134340) 1, the latest moon was detected in nine separate sets of images taken by Hubble’s Wide Field Camera 3 on June 26, 27, 29, and July 3 and 9.

 

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2172229/Pluto-Astronomers-using-NASAs-Hubble-Space-Telescope-fifth-moon-orbiting-dwarf-planet.html#ixzz21sJPgWwf

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(Merging two threads):

( Aug. 2006 ):

Three New Planets ?? Ceres, Chiron, etc. ???

Or more than that? / this is confusing

By: HollandPark - 11 Replies / 1,237 Views

 

( May 2009 )

Saturn's Rings, Moons & Beyond to the Kuiper 1 2

Way Out & to the Oort Cloud, strange things are waiting

By: DrBubb - 21 Replies / 705 Views

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How Many Moons Does Earth Have?

 

With more the 60 moons orbiting Jupiter, and 2 going around Mars, you might think that we should have plenty of moons orbiting Earth. But no, Earth only has one moon… the Moon.

 

Scientists think that the Moon was formed when a giant Mars-sized object crashed into the Earth, early on in its history. The enormous collision threw up a tremendous amount of debris. Most of it rained back down on the molten planet, but some of it stayed in orbit, and coalesced into the Moon we know today.

 

There are two other objects that some scientists have referred to as Earth’s other moons, but they aren’t really moons.

 

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Cruithne, up close

 

Cruithne is approximately 5 kilometres (3.1 mi) in diameter

 

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Cruithne - has a cruel orbit

The first is called 3753 Cruithne, and it’s not a moon at all, but an asteroid that orbits the Sun. Since its orbit takes the same amount of time to orbit the Sun as the Earth, it sometimes looks like it’s following Earth in orbit around the Sun. Although the orbit of Cruithne comes very close to Earth, the two objects can never really collide because Cruithne’s orbit is tilted to that of the Earth’s by 19.8°. It’s a very interesting object, and has an orbit that interacts with Earth, 3753 Cruithne really doesn’t quality as a satellite of Earth.

 

The "horseshoe" orbit around Earth

 

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The other object is called 2002 AA29, and it takes an even more bizarre orbit around the Sun. It spends most of its time in a horseshoe orbit, oscillating up and down near the Earth. Every 95 years or so, 2002 AA29 comes within 5.9 million km of Earth. Because it’s so close to Earth, scientists have suggested that it might make an ideal target for a space mission to retrieve a sample and bring it back to Earth.

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Read more: http://www.universetoday.com/15019/how-many-moons-does-earth-have/#ixzz21sRQT2jI

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Three Little Exoplanets All in a Row

 

In a universe that exists in at least three dimensions and perhaps many more, our solar system remains an oddly 2-D place. At the center sits the Sun, with the eight planets spinning around it in a tidy plane, parallel to the solar equator. This is a function of the way the planets swirled into existence from the same cloud of dust and gas that gave rise to the sun itself — and is one of the things that got poor Pluto booted from the planet club altogether back in 2006. The ex-ninth planet travels in a steeply inclined orbit, rising above and diving below the solar plane — a clear indication that it's merely an escapee from the vast belt of comet-like objects that circle the solar system.

 

When astronomers began discovering exoplanets — worlds orbiting other stars — they expected those solar systems to follow the local model. But that's not how things turned out. Planet after planet that was spotted in the earlier days of the search, when all we could detect were very large planets circling very bright stars, were not lined up the way they were supposed to be. Instead, these Jupiter-like gas giants hang at a cock-eyed angle, and sometimes rotate backwards or orbit in the opposite direction of the star's own spin.

 

(MORE: Forget Exoplanets: The Hunt for Exomoons Is Heating Up)

 

Finally, astronomers studying a star known as Kepler-30 have found something that looks reassuringly familiar: one, two, three exoplanets, orbiting in a plane, just like we do. And as reported in the current issue of Nature, it's not only the discovery itself that's cool, it's the way the researchers went about making it.

 

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2120548,00.html#ixzz21yG54DgA

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The Ringmakers of Saturn Dr Norman Bergrun-1/7

 

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NASA reveals true identity of mysterious space centaurs

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NASA's Wide-field Infrared Survey Explorer (WISE) has revealed the true identity of the mysterious space centaurs. Centaurs are the diminutive celestial objects circling the sun between Jupiter and Neptune.

 

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Photo credit: NASA/JPL-Caltech

The findings suggest that approximately 66 percent of the centaur population are comets.

 

Previously, scientists speculated that centaurs might be asteroids throw out from the inner solar system or comets moving in toward the Sun from great distances. These celestial objects are named after the creature in Greek mythology whose head and torso are human and legs are those of a horse.

“Just like the mythical creatures, the centaur objects seem to have a double life,” said James Bauer of NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory. “Our data point to a cometary origin for most of the objects, suggesting they are coming from deeper out in the solar system.”

 

“Cometary origin” suggests that a celestial object is probably constructed from the same material as a comet, likely was an active comet in a past life, and may become active again.

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“Comets have a dark, soot-like coating on their icy surfaces, making them darker than most asteroids,” said co-author Tommy Grav of the Planetary Science Institute. “Comet surfaces tend to be more like charcoal, while asteroids are usually shinier like the moon.”

The findings suggest that approximately 66 percent of the centaur population are comets, which originate from the cold outer reaches of our solar system. Astronomers hope that NEOWISE will continue to unwrap the mysterious nature of centaurs.

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'Trojan' asteroid is a first for planet Uranus

 

Mother Nature Network - ‎1 hour ago‎

Scientists had believed that Uranus' orbit was too unstable to play host to an asteroid companion. By. Charles Q. Choi, SPACE.

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Voyager 1 leaves solar system

 

The Guardian

Carrying the images, sounds and technology of the 1970s, the space probe Voyager 1 has left our solar system and begun a journey that will take it to interstellar space and possibly other life forms.

 

Don Gurnett, a Voyager scientist at the University of Iowa said: "We literally jumped out of our seats when we saw these oscillations in our data – they showed us the spacecraft was in an entirely new region, comparable to what was expected in interstellar space, and totally different than in the solar bubble.

"Clearly we had passed through the heliopause, which is the long-hypothesised boundary between the solar plasma and the interstellar plasma."

Not everyone is convinced that the boundary has been crossed. "It's premature to judge," said Lennard Fisk, a space science professor at the University of Michigan who is concerned about the absence of a change in the magnetic field direction. "Can we wait a little while longer? Maybe this picture will clear up the farther we go."

Harvard astrophysicist Jonathan McDowell was more blunt: "I'm actually not going to believe it for another year or two until it's been solidly outside for a while."

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Kuiper Belt Objects and Io, Europa & Triton

 

 

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Finding Proof of the Kuiper Belt

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2017 - A tough year, say Sidereal Astrologer, Kenneth

 

(about 15-20 minutes in)
Coast To Coast AM - January 26, 2017 9th Planet & Animal Extinctions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLg47Mo0AMA

 

He predicted Trump's victory in May 2016, and now expects:

 

+ Stock market crash within 2 weeks

+ Major Earthquake in L.A. Area (probably March)

+ Wars, but nor WW3

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In the MAIN Report, Dr Mike Brown, the man who orchestrated the downgrade of Pluto,

has found a new 9th planet lurking in the Oort cloud,

It could be a twin of Neptune, 5000X the size of Pluto

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The Space Reporter - ‎9 hours ago‎
A yet to be discovered, unseen "planetary mass object" makes its existence known by ruffling the orbital plane of distant Kuiper Belt objects, according to research by Kat Volk and Renu Malhotra of the UA's Lunar and Planetary Laboratory.
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the most recent survey of outer worlds clearly demonstrates that this clustering was likely due to detection bias, and the distribution of TNOs doesn't support the existence of a super-Earth planet 9. Ethan Siegel has recently about this, and you should really check it out.

No if there's no planet 9, is that it for solar system bodies? Maybe not. While the latest survey of TNOs rules out a super-Earth, it leaves open the possibility of a smaller planet, sometimes called Planet 10. The planets of our solar system have orbits that are all roughly along the same plane, known as the invariable plane. Since the solar system as a whole is gravitationally isolated, we would expect the orbits of TNOs to have a similar orientation. Orbits would vary a bit, but the average orientation should be near the invariable plane. But this latest survey found that the orbital orientations of distant TNOs are tilted about 8 degrees from the invariable plane. For a single orbit that isn't unusual, but it is odd for lots of orbits to have this orientation. This kind of shift can occur due to a gravitational tug from a larger body, through what is known as the Kozai mechanism. Based on the data, this planet would be at least the size of Mars.

60 AU away, twice as far as pluto ... NOT Planet X
When found, they will need to add to this line-up
Quick rundown: Solar system and Universe beyond

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Kepler Mission has released its catalogue of exoplanets, but what have we learnt about these worlds?

 

NASA's Kepler Mission has identified thousands of exoplanets but leaves a lot of questions about alien worlds. Teeming with planets

While planets had been discovered around other stars since the early 1990s, the launch of the Kepler Space Telescope in 2009 resulted in them being found in droves. As the numbers increased from tens to thousands of exoplanets, astronomers were able to identify types of planets and speculate on their frequency through our Galaxy; Kepler had given us the ability to do statistics.

Our Solar System suggests there are just two flavours of planet: terrestrial worlds like the Earth with rocky surfaces and thin atmospheres, and gas giants like Jupiter, whose solid cores are buried beneath thousands of kilometres of enveloping gases.

This neat, bimodal picture is taken to pieces in the Kepler Mission catalogue.

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How super, really?

Over two-thirds of the planets in the Kepler Mission Catalogue have radii of between 1.1 and four Earths, placing them between Earth and Neptune in size. These super Earths are the most common planet discovered, yet our own Solar System has no analogue to tell us what such worlds might be like.

 

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Discovery Documentary | The oldest planet in the universe

| National Geographic The Universe 2017

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Is there a mysterious Planet Nine lurking in our solar system beyond ...

3 days ago - Astronomers say they have evidence of a ninth planet in our solar system. ... body thought to be lurking in our solar system far beyond Neptune.

Many astronomers remain convinced a once-in-a-generation discovery is in the offing — one that would rewrite textbooks down to the elementary school level. “Every time we take a picture,” said Surhud More, an astronomer at the University of Tokyo, “there is this possibility that Planet Nine exists in the shot.”

Circumstantial evidence continues to accumulate for the existence of Planet Nine, the hypothetical body thought to be lurking in our solar system far beyond Neptune. But no telescope has been able to spot it.

Michael Brown, an astronomer at the California Institute of Technology, says he feels “eternally optimistic” that someone will soon find it, but there’s reason to believe that Planet Nine, if it exists, might be essentially invisible to existing observatories.

The first evidence for Planet Nine surfaced in 2014, when the discovery of a planetoid revealed that a handful of mini ice-worlds in the outermost reaches of the solar system followed suspiciously similar paths around the sun. “If things are in the same orbit, then something’s pushing them,” said Scott Sheppard, an astronomer at the Carnegie Institution for Science in Washington and the co-discoverer of the 2014 planetoid.

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Jupiter Has An Extra Magnetic Pole

JUPITER HAS AN EXTRA MAGNETIC POLE: When NASA’s Juno spacecraft reached Jupiter in 2016, planetary scientists were eager to learn more about the giant planet’s magnetic field. Juno would fly over both of Jupiter’s poles, skimming just 4000 km above the cloudtops for measurements at point-blank range. Today in the journal Nature, a team of researchers led by Kimberly Moore of Harvard University announced new results from Juno–and they are weird. Among the findings: Jupiter has an extra magnetic pole.

http://www.investmentwatchblog.com/jupiter-has-an-extra-magnetic-pole/

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Astronomers discover the most distant body ever observed in the solar system, more than twice as far as Pluto

An ambitious team of astronomers has discovered the most “far out” object ever observed in our Solar System. The object, a pink dwarf planet called 2018 VG18 and nicknamed “Farout,” lies more than 100 times further from the sun than the Earth is.

This discovery, made by Carnegie’s Scott S. Sheppard, the University of Hawaii’s David Tholen and Northern Arizona University’s Chad Trujillo, was formally announced today (Dec. 17) by the International Astronomical Union’s Minor Planet Center. Farout is about 120 AU away — 1 AU is the distance between the Earth and the Sun — making it the first object discovered at over 100 AU. Farout is significantly farther than the now second most-distant object Eris, which is at about 96 AU. The pink dwarf planet is more than three-and-a-half times more distant than the famous, blue dwarf planet Pluto.

It’s not hard to figure out where the nickname comes from. But, according to Sheppard, it has a double meaning. In addition to Farout being so distant, Sheppard said that when he first saw the planet he shouted out loud: “far out!”

The team discovered Farout using the Japanese Subaru 8-meter telescope located in Hawaii. The first discovery images were taken Nov. 10, 2018. The object was observed a second time earlier this month at the Magellan telescope at Carnegie’s Las Campanas Observatory in Chile. These secondary observations allowed the team to follow the object’s path across the sky and determine its brightness and color.

From these observations, the team found that dwarf planet is fairly sizable, about 310 miles (500 km) in diameter or roughly 1/3 the size of Pluto, Sheppard said. The dwarf planet also has a pinkish hue likely caused by the object being rich in ice.

Planet X

While a significant discovery on its own, finding Farout might also support the search for “Planet X” — a theoretical planet whose existence was first proposed by this same research team after discovering another distant solar system object.

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NASA's New Horizons spacecraft will ring in the New Year with historic flyby of the most distant target ever explored

NASA's New Horizons spacecraft will zip past the scrawny, icy object nicknamed Ultima Thule (TOO-lee) soon after the stroke of midnight.

One billion miles beyond Pluto and an astounding 4 billion miles from Earth (1.6 billion kilometers and 6.4 billion kilometers), Ultima Thule will be the farthest world ever explored by humankind.

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Nasa prepares to visit Ultima Thule, a frozen world at edge of solar system

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A Nasa spacecraft is preparing to rendezvous with a mysterious frozen world orbiting four billion miles from the Sun, which will be the most distant and primitive object ever to be explored.

The US space agency’s New Horizons probe is closing in for a New Year’s Day flyby of Ultima Thule — a small rocky body in the Kuiper Belt, a region of the outer solar system where the leftovers from the formation of Earth and other planets 4.5 billion years ago are frozen in time.

> https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/nasa-prepares-to-visit-ultima-thule-a-frozen-world-at-edge-of-solar-system-hcb5lv3k0

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