bob monkhouse Posted May 18, 2006 Report Share Posted May 18, 2006 http://www.shoutwire.com/viewstory/12433/C...ns_on_Tap_Water not had a chance to look into this fully, but came across it and thought of you guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drbubb Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 From that link: "Stan Meyer's Dune Buggy that ran on water. Hydrogen burning motor. On board electrolysis, no hydrogen tanks, no bombs on-board, just water. (1998) It ran 100 miles per gallon! The 2nd best inventor of the Century, besides Tesla, who was and will always be #1. Stan is the mustard seed of Water Powered Cars! The video left above is a one timed aired news cast, from his home town of Grove City , Ohio that you are not to view. The video screen to the right is a segment of the Equinox program about Stanley aired back in Dec. 1995 (approx.) See the entire program entitled "It Runs on Water" narrated by Arthur C. Clarke in video clips below. It is in 4 parts, made possible by Andy the WizardKing from Blackpool, England. He was a shame to hear that he was poisoned (March 98') and longer with us. The Military was going to use this technology in their tanks, jeeps, etc. He had patents on his invention and was ready for production. Only $1,500 to equip your car! See the Videos above. No gasoline, just water. Stanley said he was offered a billion dollars from an Arab to basically shelf his idea. " RIGHT. so why isnt he a billionaire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malco Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 If it looks like muppetville and sounds like muppetville then it probably is. In fairness, bad reporting is likely to be a problem. To split water into H2 and O2 requires energy. This is because water is the "exhaust" of combusting H2 and O2! If you took the tailpipe of a conventional car and fed it into the engine would you expect it to power the engine? Of course not, because combustion denudes fuel of its chemical energy (which is derived from solar energy ultimately). Let us return to the Second Law of thermodynamics and accept that you cannot get something for nothing. Water can never be a fuel for the same reason that dust or stone can never be fuels; it cannot be activated to release heat. A fuel must by defintion be potentially unstable. Or, you can use solar energy to split water as plants do and then run the H2 and O2 through a fuel cell to make electricity. But there is no mystery to this. It is somewhat cumbersome and inefficient. The "hydrogen economy" is a pipe-dream, perpetuated by atechnical muppets who have no idea of how hard it is to distribute a gas like hydrogen at high pressure in safety. It can be done, but it's a bit like a hiker taking a high pressure steam boiler to drink from rather than a water bottle. Do you get my meaning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Comb Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 Hydrogen car featured on Fifth Gear tonight. Which you have now missed. But it's repeated on Tuesday night at midnight. Feasible, but will be 10 years before production. Which means they have a lot more work to do. Honda is the manufacturer. More info on channel 5 website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HollandPark Posted May 23, 2006 Report Share Posted May 23, 2006 The Fuel Cell is just a sort of battery, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malco Posted May 23, 2006 Report Share Posted May 23, 2006 Hydrogen car featured on Fifth Gear tonight. Which you have now missed. But it's repeated on Tuesday night at midnight. Feasible, but will be 10 years before production. Which means they have a lot more work to do. Honda is the manufacturer. More info on channel 5 website. How do they deal with minor problems like producing large amounts of hydrogen? And distributing it? And devising a muppet-proof refilling system? An explosive gas under high pressure is a completely different proposition from petrol, notwithstanding the potential hazards of petrol. How do they ensure the fuel system retains integrity in a serious crash? Granted these problems would take time to solve anyway - and each will be technically soluble one way or another. For instance, refuelling could be done by exchange tanks rather like Calor gas today. The technology is probably three-quarters there. I'd see the production and distribution of hydrogen as being the main stumbling block. At present most of it is made from nat gas. You can electrolyse it from pure water - but pure water is also a precious resource. So is the energy input required to drive the electrolysis. Hydrogen cars seem like a solution but they merely express the problem in a different way - H2 is a store of energy but not a source of energy. Not unless there are vast reservoirs of liquid H2 deep underground just waiting to be tapped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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