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HONG KONG PROTESTS: Caught in a fight between 2 super powers

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Will The Hong Kong Protests Result In Civil War? (w/ TL Tsim) | Real Vision Classics

"China will not START a currency War, but I do not say that China will not participate in one"

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LeLand said, "people talked about the State (refer to China) disappeared". 

Well, I can boldly add on the quote shown above: quite a number of Hong Kong Chinese were arrested in the recent 2.5 weeks. These people "disappeared", except Joshua Wong and Agnes Chow, who are on bail, due to their high profiles.  "Disappeared" in China including HK means being "killed". 

One of the 5 demands is "amnesty for arrested protesters". If the aforesaid protesters have been killed, there is no amnesty for arrested protesters. The Hong Kong government will just ignore this demand out of the 5. You can imagine that protests will continue into 2020 year. Travelling out and into HK will be at risk. How can one plan a flight out of or into Hong Kong when the operations of HK airport can be seriously affected by protesters?

Stay at home and avoid travel delays or getting stuck at the airport for hours or days.

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Hang Seng Index: up almost 1,000 points

HSI ...2yrD : 6mo : 10d / 26,523 +995, +3.90%

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Why?

A VICTORY FOR FREEDOM OVER THE CHI-COMMS:

Hong Kong Leader Orders Full Withdrawal of Extradition Bill

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Hong Kong Chief Executive Carrie Lam announced Wednesday that the government would fully withdraw the bill that launched the ongoing pro-democracy movement from the legislature, ceding to one of the five demands protesters have been posing to the government for the past three months.

The bill in question would have allowed the Communist Party of China to extradite anyone present in Hong Kong, not just Hong Kong residents or Chinese citizens, into the Chinese prison system if accused of violating communist “crimes.” China has notoriously “disappeared” thousands of political dissidents into its prison system and severely restricts free speech and religious activity. Multiple investigations have found that China uses its political prisoners as forced organ donors, cutting them open and taking their organs alive to fuel a million-dollar industry.

Hong Kong residents naturally feared that exercising their rights to speech, assembly, or religion in what is ostensibly a free territory would result in being the victims of gross human rights violations and took to the streets this June.

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The Global Times, a Chinese regime propaganda outlet, was quick to applaud Lam and threaten protesters out of celebrating her moves as a win.

“Though the move is meant to show the SAR [Hong Kong Special Administrative Region] government’s sincerity in addressing the political crisis, it should not be seen as a concession by Lam that could lead to a slippery slope,” the Global Times warned, “and radical forces should not have any illusion of winning ground on matters related to the ‘one country, two system’ [sic] principle that governs Hong Kong and China’s sovereignty.”

The Global Times reported that Beijing supported Lam’s decision.

The protesters have made five demands on Hong Kong’s government: a withdrawal of the extradition bill, the independent inquiry on police brutality, freedom for political prisoners, direct election of lawmakers, and an apology for calling the June 12 protest a “riot.” Currently, Hongkongers are allowed to election only half of lawmakers in the Legislative Council, while the others are appointed by a small group of special interests representatives controlled by China. Similarly, only 1,200 Hong Kong residents, part of a special committee, can vote for their chief executive, and even then only among a list of candidates handpicked by China.

Prior to Wednesday, Lam had adamantly refused to withdraw the extradition bill, noting that legislators had tabled it and declaring it “dead” in July. Tabling a bill keeps it alive and allows lawmakers to revive it at any time.

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Hong Kong Protesters on China Caving: ‘They Have Conceded Nothing’

 

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Thanks DrBubb for your postings. I posted the following texts on my facebook newsfeed earlier:

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Study: China Harvesting Organs from Tens of Thousands of Political Prisoners Annually (24 June 2016 article, but is still going on in China)

Click here to browse https://www.breitbart.com/…/study-china-harvesting-organs-…/

Two extracted paragraphs:

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Human rights researchers have published an updated study accusing China of conducting tens of thousands of organ transplants using the bodies of political prisoners without their consent. While the practice has been known to occur in the communist nation for decades, Beijing alleges that it long stopped harvesting organs from prisoners of conscience.

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The U.S. House of Representatives passed a resolution this month calling for the State Department to implement visa restrictions on Chinese nationals suspected of participating in the practice, a move China sternly condemned.

 

My humble thoughts as I am wearing my psychology hat:

a) Hong Kong is viewed as "a black sheep" (a metaphor) by the top China government officials, as if Hong Kong people are a "disobedient child" (a metaphor).

b) If Hong Kong people continue to fight xxx, yyyy, etc, we will all be ridiculed economically and psychologically.

c) There will be increasingly less jobs available for young HK people. When they approach 40s, it is likely that they will not find work anymore.

d) You may be dead by then. Your child can live in poverty after having spent all your left-behind money.

e) If you have a child or children, please think about emigrating to another country (not Taiwan). Ensure that your child (or children) learn English and another language (e.g. German) well so that your child can find work in another country. Of course, your child must be able to speak Mandarin. Ensure that your child performs very well academically in schools and university. Go on to get a master degree. A bachelor degree is not good enough to compete in job markets.

You save up about HK$ 1 million for your child's university degree abroad. Leave Hong Kong.

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I am now forced to leave HK soon when I am NOT too old to look for consulting (or alike challenging) work on a pro-bono basis to "brush up" my CV with some recent UK experiences.

Due to Brexit, there is no paid work for people like me. However, my academic achievements and professional work skills should give me an advantage one way or another. 

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50 minutes ago, yhmo21 said:

c) There will be increasingly less jobs available for young HK people. When they approach 40s, it is likely that they will not find work anymore.

d) You may be dead by then. Your child can live in poverty after having spent all your left-behind money.

e) If you have a child or children, please think about emigrating to another country (not Taiwan). Ensure that your child (or children) learn English and another language (e.g. German) well so that your child can find work in another country. Of course, your child must be able to speak Mandarin. Ensure that your child performs very well academically in schools and university. Go on to get a master degree. A bachelor degree is not good enough to compete in job markets.

the JOBS FOR KIDS things is a real concern.

I think many well off parents are suggesting to their children to EMIGRATE - since it seems the best Jobs and Opportunities in HK are going often to mainlanders "with the right connections" in China, rather than talented locals

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China’s Currency Has Its Worst Month In 25 Years

  • China’s yuan on course for worst month since 1994
  • China’s currency is poised for its worst month on record after weakening beyond the barrier of 7 yuan per US dollar

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Xi Jinping's Recent Speech Indicates How Beijing Plans To Handle Hong Kong Protests

The day before Hong Kong’s chief executive Carrie Lam formally announced the withdrawal of the extradition bill, Chinese leader Xi Jinping gave a speech to the Chinese Communist Party’s (CCP) cadres, in which he referred to the current situation in Hong Kong, Macao and Taiwan as “serious struggles.” His speech may help us understand Beijing’s philosophy in handling the anti-government protests in Hong Kong.

. . .In the more than 2,000-word report by Xinhua News Agency, Xi mentioned the word “struggle” at least 50 times. In particular, Xi said that at present and in the near future, China is entering a stage of “concentrated risks” in different facets, including the economy, politics, culture, national defense, army building, diplomacy, as well as the handling of Hong Kong, Macao and Taiwan affairs and relationships. All these areas will face “major struggles,” and the risks and challenges are becoming increasingly complicated, Xi said, according to the report.

However, what is generally overlooked is that Xi made an important statement in his speech, namely: “We will make absolutely no concessions on the issue of principles, while being flexible on strategies.”

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Stefan Molyneux is in Hong Kong

"Talk the Walk" Stefan Molyneux of Freedomain Interviewed on Television by Harminder Singh

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I refer to the video shown in the www.infowars.com in the preceding posting. The guy is a secondary school student aged 18 (shown below in the photo). He survived after a surgery to remove the bullet in his lung.

The aforementioned video clearly shows that this guy with a medium-length metal rod was hostile towards the policeman in a close proximity.

If I were in the position of the cop, I would have shot at him. Bad luck to the young guy who has been paid HK$ 5,000 to HK$ 6,000 per day to be at the front of the violence.

The young guy has been "brainwashed" in my perception.

If I were his mother, I would have scolded at him with my tears gushing out.

I would also have hugged him and said to him, "your life is more important than Hong Kong political affairs. Treasure your life". 

This kind of behaviour is betrayal to Hong Kong.

Is the HK$ 5,000+ a lucrative income per day (i.e. HK$ 24,000 for 4 weekends) for a young guy at age 18?

Please put yourself into the young guy's shoes, and understand his underlying motivation. 

In my wish, Hong Kong is better off without this kind of "brainwashed" young guys and girls, who should be "eliminated" one way or another. 

Hong Kong is truly a victim caught between America and China. 

A few months ago in a press conference broadcasted in a HK TV channel, the former HK Chief Executive, Tung C.W. phrased

that a "foreign influence" had instigated protests, which have since then become a series of prolonged violent protests.

The "foreign influence" is actually CIA.

Some local HK people learned about the involvement of CIA. However, the laymen here in HK do NOT understand why CIA has been involved.

However, I do. I shall say no more here due to the political sensitivities between CIA, Trump and China.

Why did CIA pick Hong Kong since 2014 riots in Mong Kok?

Welcome your insight.     

A screen capture from Stand News footage shows the teen being treated for his wound.

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HONG KONG - who are the main players?

There are a surprizing number of Women in key decision & influencer roles

Special Report: Hong Kong on Edge

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China has a "desperate need for US Dollars" - & uses HK & trickery to get them

Kyle Bass: Hong Kong Protests are Chinese Regime’s “Worst Nightmare” in US China Trade War

Fund manager Kyle Bass thinks that China should be made to play by the same rules as everyone else

- Including the accounting rules

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I refer to the texts shown above, which are appended here:

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HONG KONG - who are the main players?

There are a surprizing number of Women in key decision & influencer roles

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As a Hong Kong person, my perception differs in that the women, namely Virginia Ip, Anson Chan, Rita Fan who were interviewed by Bloomberg,

were "willing" to express their opinions to a high-profile TV channel. These women indeed played an influencing role in the past,

but less so nowadays without an authoritative official position in the Hong Kong Government.

These women "were" decision makes in the past.

In summary,

the Bloomberg video news also interviewed prominent men politicians, with balanced views gathered from men and women political figures. 

 

The Bloomberg video news was excellent.

Well done to the news Director and the script writer. 

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SHUT DOWN?

I heard that HK's MTR was shutdown after this...

Hong Kong Announces Face Mask Ban

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JPMorgan Banker Beaten In Hong Kong As Protests Rage

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I refer to the extracted texts shown below from the yahoo.com e-news (by Jerome TAYLOR, Yan ZHAO, AFP• October 6, 2019 ) posted in the previous posting:

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Police officers -- many of whom had their faces covered and were not wearing identification numbers

-- were seen tackling a young couple wearing masks in the district of Central.

Crowds shouted "triads" at the police and the couple were eventually released. But another masked man was handcuffed and led away soon after.

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To readers of the present forum,

I would like to elaborate on the line of " Crowds shouted "triads" at the police and the couple were eventually released ".

The reporters of the yahoo e-news surely understand the collusion between the Hong Kong Police and the triads in escalating the riots by protesters.

Who would have directed such a demonic collusion (as I phrase it)?

The answer is the China Central Government. 

What is then the ulterior motive behind such a collusion?

The answer is to tell the world leaders that China has a valid political reason to take control of Hong Kong 100%

by abolishing "one country two systems" before the deadline of 30 June 2047.

My anticipation is that Hong Kong will be destroyed economically as this is happening now.

I pray to GOD to "turn the situation round 180 degrees", and to return Hong Kong's glory. 

Please pray for Hong Kong if you believe in GOD and have money at stake in Hong Kong.

I suppose that you don't really care since you do NOT live in Hong Kong anymore.

You may wish Hong Kong to die...    Please don't.

Have a good heart please.

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"My anticipation is that Hong Kong will be destroyed economically as this is happening now. "

Why destroy it? 

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Protesters also set fire to a banner honoring the 70th anniversary of the founding of the People's Republic of China, Reuters reports. 

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To answer DrBubb's question: "why would China Central Government want to destroy Hong Kong?"

My answer to the question is summarised below:

China's political cultures have always been dictatorial since "the First Emperor of Qin, from 259 BC to 210 BC" by using dictatorship, military violence, burning scholar books to eliminate literacy and so forth strategies.

These strategies had worked effectively in leading and controlling a vast country of peasants. 

However, the present era of China exists in environments of a virtual world with electronic information flowing out of control.

This has posed layers of threats to the security of the country (so to speak). 

Bear in mind that protesters tend to be the younger generations with some older ones behind the scene in fueling negative and rebellious thoughts to the young with an objective of destroying Hong Kong for their financial benefits (to the pockets of the older ones).

The China Central Government has jumped onto this rebellious movement, and demonically added more fuels to the negative sentiment of the young. 

A valid question to raise is whether or not there are immediate benefits to China leaders. 

Come on, readers: the answer is obviously yes. If you were in the shoes of the leaders, would you want to be praised that "you have done a good job in suppressing the rebellious protesters? "

To be an effective political leader in China or anywhere in other countries, you have to be cut-throat, decisive and "dark". 

"Birds of a feather flock together". You have to conform. 

If you have a good nature, you should never be a politician in any ways.

All China politicians are "dark" and demonic. In their perceptions, Hong Kong is a "pea" to them, insignificant. 

 

Shanghai has been thriving financially for some years,. However, their ethical standards are non-existent. 

It is only in the recent few years that young mainland China financiers understand the meaning of words "professionalism" and "integrity". 

When I conducted my doctoral research on "interpersonal trust" in Shanghai in 1999, I learned that these two words were

never heard of among some local entrepreneurs (my research interviewees).

I struggled to explain the meanings of these two highly conceptual words in Mandarin.

"Professionalism" was understood as "an engineer with a specialised job".

"Integrity" was understood to be equal to "honesty". 

What is an implication on the culture of integrity in mainland China?

Such a aforementioned culture is non-existent, which leads to my assertion that mainland China is bred with an unethical and non-professional culture.

Destroying Hong Kong to the mainland China politicians is similar to destroying a plant.

They would brush it away. Tell the world mind your own business. It is our internal affairs, none of your business.

GOD blesses Hong Kong.

Welcome your views.

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" Destroying Hong Kong to the mainland China politicians is similar to destroying a plant. "

Sad thoughts.

 I think the CCP wants to DESTROY the FREEDOMS in Hong Kong, and bring it in line, without destroying its prosperity.

What they do not realize is how much the Prosperity depends on  economic & political freedom/

The dynamic entrepreneurs in HK, are already looking for other places to invest.  And places like the Philippines & Singaore are atttracting them

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China Rules the NBA ?

Couple Ejected from Sixers Game for Holding Signs and Shouting ‘Free Hong Kong’

Fans hold signs ahead of a an NBA exhibition basketball game between the Philadelphia 76ers and the Guangzhou Loong-Lions on Tuesday, Oct. 8, 2019, in Philadelphia. (AP Photo/Matt Rourke)

A couple attending a Philadelphia 76ers basketball game against the Chinese team Guangzhou Loong Lions were ejected from the stadium on Tuesday night after holding signs and shouting support for Hong Kong.

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In Bloomberg e-news, a recent article shows:

"Trump Says Hong Kong Protest Movement Will ‘Take Care of Itself’ Soon"

By Josh Wingrove on October 12, 2019.

The link is https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-11/trump-says-hong-kong-protests-will-take-care-of-itself-soon

The texts are extracted here:

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President Donald Trump said in an Oval Office meeting with China’s vice premier that he thinks protests in Hong Kong are winding down and that a partial trade accord the two leaders reached on Friday will be a “great deal” for the city’s residents.

“We discussed Hong Kong and I think great progress has been made by China in Hong Kong, and I’ve been watching and I actually told the vice premier it really has toned down a lot from the initial days of a number of months ago when I saw a lot of people, and I see far fewer now,” Trump told reporters Friday.

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In my perspectives, I agree with President Trump's views on this matter. A few weeks ago in a Mensa meeting, someone told me and three other members that many sightings of "chopped" frozen bodies without facial recognition were reported in Chinese social media in Hong Kong. This individual further summarised that these people were captured protesters, and were killed.

Ah, I knew exactly what this person was driving at. These captured protesters were "killed" by mainland China, not by Hong Kong Police. These acts made sense to me, I am afraid.

If you look back to the students protests in South Korea in 1987, we should wonder how these protests were stopped in less than one year. The protesters were "killed".

I do not have any evidence to support my assertion. Use your political common sense.

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Sad, very sad to see people being killed.

I think that China is very patient, and thinks long term.

HK's best hope in the long term was to change China, and we have seen some of that.  But not enough, I fear.

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