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Joe Rogan: To Deny Border Crime Is ‘Foolish’

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Podcaster Joe Rogan offered a practical take on the government shutdown, which is predicated on President Donald Trump’s demand for $5.7 billion in funding for the southern border Wall.

Trump reserves the national emergency option to build the Wall using Department of Defense resources and the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, but so far has not used that option. If Democrats feel that Trump is not likely to use this leverage, his leverage would decrease. Trump is also looking at other options to fund the Wall, sending his Cabinet secretaries on a search for Wall funds.

Rogan said that ideally he would like a situation where people are able to go anywhere without a passport, but he gave a strong statement on border crime.

“I get the argument. Certainly you don’t want to bring in criminals and murderers. You don’t want drug dealers making their way into this country and starting gang violence and all that stuff. Yes, you’re absolutely right. To deny that is pretty f—ing foolish,” Rogan said.

> https://bigleaguepolitics.com/joe-rogan-to-deny-border-crime-is-foolish/
 

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25 minutes ago, drbubb said:

Trump reserves the national emergency option to build the Wall 

A national emergency for the bankruptcy of the united states and failure of the dollar will be declared first.

Credit where credit is due. Handling bankrupcies of things no one ever thought could go bankrupt (e.g. Casinos) is one of the few things Trump is actually good at.

However, Mexicanos will be the least of Querecanos concerns at that point. Aside from the unwillingness of Mexicanos to offer Querecanos asylum post federal union. Queers not welcome in Mexico. 

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Trump Meets With Senior White House Officials About Infrastructure Plan

President Trump's battle with the Democratic leadership over funding for his border wall has been perhaps the most rancorous political fight since the dawn of his administration - eclipsing even the contentious confirmation of Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh. And though the government remains shut down with no accord in sight, the president and a coterie of his senior advisors are already planning to revive their push for Trump's promised infrastructure package - one of the few issues where Democrats and Republicans are expected to find a measure of comity.

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On 1/12/2019 at 5:03 PM, drbubb said:

But At this point I'd wager virtually no one believes "the wall" is the reason 100s of thousands of former united states employees are not getting paid and more and more government programs are closing by the day.

Not that the penny has dropped as to what the real reason is yet, but it is starting to get more mentions.

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Give Trump his WALL and we will find out.

It is a relatively Tiny amount of Money

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36 minutes ago, drbubb said:

Give Trump his WALL and we will find out.

It is a relatively Tiny amount of Money

more than a trillion dollars of spending cuts this year to stay solvent isn't a small amount of money. even by querecano standards.

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‘Save The Dreamers’: Leftist Washington Post Urges Democrats To Take Trump’s Border Security Wall Deal

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and congressional Democrats are losing one big voice in their opposition to President Donald Trump’s push for a border wall: The Washington Post’s editorial board.

WaPo noted in a Sunday editorial reasons why Pelosi should rebuke the president’s most recent offer to temporarily extend protections for the so-called Dreamers. But the paper eventually explained that taking the deal would ultimately help those who came here through the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program.

“He should not be rewarded for having taken the government hostage. Any piece of a wall would reinforce his hateful, anti-immigrant rhetoric,” WaPo noted. “He’s unreliable, having made and withdrawn similar offers in the past.”

WaPo’s editorial board has criticized Trump in the past for what its writers call pushing immigration policies that would “cripple the economy.” It’s taking a different approach now. Sunday’s editorial explains why young people who came to the U.S. through the Obama-era program are in peril of being deported.

If nothing happens soon, then the Dreamers could get the short end of the stick, WaPo noted.

“If no deal is reached, the Supreme Court is likely at some point to end that dispensation, as Mr. Trump has demanded, and they will be sent back into the shadows, or to countries of which they have no memory.”

. . . His deal included $800 million in urgent humanitarian assistance, $805 million in new drug detection technology and three years of legal relief from deportation for DACA recipients in exchange for the $5.7 billion for “strategic deployment of physical barriers”

Pelosi was not impressed. She preemptively shot down the proposal in a statement before the president’s announcement.

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"They Lied!" (Peloser & Cheesy Chucky)

Pelosi Refuses Trumps' Shutdown Offer: Big Mistake

Neoliberals love to use immigrants like pawns: http://archive.is/IO0rQ

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CALM DOWN! HERE ARE THE REAL REASONS WHY TRUMP OFFERED DACA & TPS TO END SHUTDOWN & GET OUR WALL!

 

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Pirro to Pelosi: ‘Are You Working for Americans or Illegals … or Is It That You Don’t Give a Damn?’

During Saturday’s broadcast of Fox News Channel’s “Justice,” host Jeanine Pirro hammered House Speaker Nancy Pelosi in her show’s “Opening Monologue” segment.

Pirro suggested that Pelosi and other congressional Democrats cared more about illegal immigrants than Americans and called her a “hypocrite” and a “political operative.”

“So let me see if I understand this: An American mother shows a picture of a child murdered by an illegal, and Chuck Schumer and his gang they come out and show pictures of federal employees. Is there a moral equivalency here? Are you folks, schizo? Are you working for Americans or illegals? Or is it that you just don’t give a damn? You vacation in Hawaii. Your buddies vacation in Puerto Rico during a shutdown and you plan a jaunt to Europe while federal employees are trying to save every dollar to buy groceries. Admit it — you don’t give a damn.”

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On 1/21/2019 at 4:37 AM, drbubb said:

Neoliberals love to use immigrants like pawns:

Trumps a neo liberal now?

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Schumer and McConnell reach apparent deal that may end shutdown

One of the bills has the backing of President Trump, and includes $5.7 billion for his long-promised border wall.

The other would extend funding for shuttered agencies through Feb. 8, the New York Times reported.

The plan, a compromise between Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, could be a way to end the shutdown — though the fate of the border-wall-funding bill remained in doubt in both the Senate and the House.

Under the Constitution, revenue measures must originate in the House of Representatives.

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3 hours ago, drbubb said:

Top senators said Tuesday they would vote Thursday on two separate bills that could bring an immediate end to the record-breaking government shutdown.

tldr:us gubermint isnt bankrupt. pinky promise.

meanwhile outside of the completely unanswerable cia disinformation media 

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/23/shutdown-enters-33rd-day-with-no-breakthrough-in-sight-as-us-senate-sets-votes.html

Shutdown enters 33rd day with no breakthrough in sight as US Senate sets votes

  • Republican Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said he planned to hold a vote on Thursday on a Democratic proposal that would fund the government for three weeks but does not include the $5.7 billion in U.S.-Mexico border wall funding demanded by President Donald Trump.

Many employees as well as contractors were turning to unemployment assistance, food banks and other support. Others began seeking new jobs.

 

 

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The ART of the Stalemate

SWAMP SHOOK...

Trump's shutdown strategy paying off?
Pelosi not giving an inch...
No Dem counteroffer on border security!
Suffers brain freezes during address...
Two Years of Crisis...
Tax season from hell...
President's Plan to Open Govt Fails...
Republicans break with party...
Both Senate Bills Blocked...
WALL 'DOWN PAYMENT' DEMANDED TO RE-OPEN...

Why make the first move? Easy: Trump needs to come out of this with a win, even if it means having to roll back some of his leverage. Trump made the border wall the centerpiece of his campaign, the rallying point for millions of voters who thought he'd be the only person who can actually get key goals accomplished in Washington on sheer force of personality. A failure to make good on this core promise would undermine his presidency and any hope of winning the next election. "If you don't deliver the goods," he also wrote in his book, "people will eventually catch on."

Clearly, Trump wants to deliver the goods, and he's willing to part with some leverage to do so. By making the first move, Trump also created an opening for a response to his proposal, which raised expectations of a revised negotiating position from Democrats, especially with the potential for a key agenda victory on DACA. Trump traded a little leverage for a little more public pressure, in effect.

At first, Democrats failed to recognize that trap. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) insisted she would not negotiate at all while the government is shut down, a position she undercut by also insisting she wouldn't negotiate on border-wall funding at all, shutdown or no shutdown. Pelosi tried holding the line by warning her caucus against "freelancing" on the standoff and sending signals of disunity. Pelosi even went so far as to formally reject Trump's plan to deliver the State of the Union address in a joint session of Congress next week.

But by that time, other members of Democratic leadership had already started "freelancing" and exposing cracks in Pelosi's no-talks armor...

. . . Senate rejects dueling proposals to end the shutdown

Despite the failure, lawmakers expressed optimism that there's a way out of the impasse.

. . . The proposal, set to be made public Friday, suggests pressure is mounting to find a solution to the impasse. Earlier this week, a group of centrist House Democrats drafted a letter to Pelosi asking that she give Trump a vote on his border wall or a border security package in exchange for re-opening the government. The Democrat-controlled House has also repeatedly passed legislation to re-open the government — most recently a spending bill Thursday to re-open the Department of Homeland Security.

Some House Democrats have privately dismissed the DHS proposal as a messaging document meant to ease their rank-and-file’s frustrations with the prolonged stalemate. But House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn (D-S.C.) said Thursday he’s confident the Democratic counteroffer will be a starting point for serious talks with the president once the government is reopened.

“I maintain hope that people will come to their senses real soon. And I’m very confident that the proposals we’re putting forward will gain traction and will become a significant part of whatever the negotiations are going forward,” Clyburn said. “We won’t get 100 percent of what we want and we want the president to understand he won’t get 100 percent of what he wants.”

. . . Pelosi could well find herself on the outside looking in on a shutdown deal. While she stands firm, negotiations are taking place, and there's a good chance she'll soon be standing alone. Trump can rightly take credit for the progress, and unless Pelosi provides a substantive response, her own caucus might freelance a compromise and call her status as leader into serious question. It may well be time for Pelosi to claim victory on DACA and depart the field, before her own party decides to force her to depart it.

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He TOOK THE MIDDLE... to win it

Peloser must cave ... or be left in the cold

Lindsey Graham: Trump ‘Brilliant’ for Taking Middle Ground; Pelosi a ‘Nightmare’ for Democrats

"President Trump made a brilliant political move, and good for the country, to go to the middle -- wall plus DACA plus TPS. I've had more Democratic senators talk to me in the last two days than talk to me in the last 30 days," Graham said. "The harder Nancy Pelosi goes left and the more Trump goes to the middle, we're going to get this thing solved."

Graham said neither proposal will get the required 60 votes. That's when "the hard work starts," he said:

"We had a meeting today with about eight Democrats and eight Republicans. Nancy Pelosi has become a nightmare for the Democratic Party. She seems unreasonable. She seems to have a dislike for the president that is hurting the country. And this idea of not letting the president speak is really overplaying your hand.

"So I want your listeners to know that there's a reaction to this far-left rhetoric in the Senate by more mainstream Democrats that I think will eventually allow us to get the wall funded and do some things for the DACA recipients and TPS recipients. There's a deal in the making. And the more extreme Nancy Pelosi gets, the more likely we'll have a deal."

Pelosi on Wednesday rescinded her invitation for Trump to deliver his State of the Union Address to a joint session of Congress. Trump said he will wait until the partial shutdown ends to deliver his speech where so many other presidents have delivered theirs.

"There's plenty of places the president can choose to deliver the State of the Union," Graham said. "But here's the question for America. What kind of union do you want?

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Nancy should soon resign, and let "Aoc" OCastro take over her Vile & Anti-American party.

THAT would bring great clarity

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Laura Ingraham Rips President Trump’s Decision to Postpone State of the Union Address:

‘I’d Do a Three-Part SOTU; First in Detroit; Second at Border; Third at Ellis Island

"Bad decision by @potus," she tweeted. "Go to America and give the nation a #SOTU. Sent the written form to petty Pelosi."

DOUG SCHOEN: PELOSI SHOULDN'T BLOCK TRUMP FROM DELIVERING SPEECH

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Trump announced on Twitter late Wednesday that he will deliver a "great" State of the Union address after the partial government shutdown is over, ending a tense day in Washington where Republicans criticized House Speaker Nancy Pelosi for blocking the president from giving the speech.

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I disagree.

The decision by Trump to "delay until AFTER the shutdown is over..." is brilliant.

It Builds anticipation that an End to the Shutdown is near.  it puts pressure on those opposing the Wall

(Peloser desperation?):

" Pelosi responded to Trump's announcement with a tweet of her own. She said she hopes that "the near future" means that he is willing to support the "House-passed package" to end the shutdown that is affecting about 800,000 federal workers. "

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Everything is going according to plan, folks

Trump on next steps after Senate fails to pass funding bills

 

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The LieStream is painting Trump's "cave-in" in the worst possible way.

In reality, it shows the power of the Leftwing media in undermining Trumo's policy actions

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Trump climbs down in wall row, Congress passes bill ending shutdown...
Chaos president...
PELOSI IN COMMAND...
SHUT AGAIN IN 3 WEEKS?
NOONAN: The State of the Union Is Missing...

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Scott Adams Invites Dale to Celebrate Pelosi’s Stunning Victory in the Fifth Inning.

What border security plan would President Hillary Clinton offer?
How would it compare to President Trump’s plan?
President Trump’s border security concept
Experts advise what works to address various challenges
Build the most efficient structure possible for least cost
President Trump has educated and weaponized voters
Now…people CARE about solutions for the border
Solutions will HAVE to be cost efficient and effective
Pelosi didn’t do her job, everyone wants border security
She didn’t “win”, she failed to offer solutions

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