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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/15/martin-schulz-signal-german-left-dreams-of-a-european-antidote-to-trump

'If things go Johanna Uekermann’s way, she will wake up on 25 September to the news that Martin Schulz has soundly beaten Angela Merkel in the German elections.

“The era of Europe-wide austerity policies à la Merkel and [Wolfgang Schäuble, Germany’s finance minister] could finally become a thing of the past,” said the 29-year-old leader of the JuSos, the Social Democratic party’s (SPD) youth organisation.

 

For the second week running, a poll published on Wednesday by Germany’s Forsa institute put the SPD on a five-year high with 31% of the vote, just three percentage points behind Merkel’s Christian Democrats. Another survey, also by Forsa, found that in a theoretical direct vote for the chancellorship, Schulz would win 37% of the vote to Merkel’s 38%.

Another poll published last week saw Schulz’s party overtake the conservatives to become the strongest political force in the country.

 

The emergence of a US president openly critical of German economic and social policies has led some to call for a more combative stance towards Donald Trump’s government than the course of critical distance pursued by Merkel. In an interview in the new edition of Der Spiegel, Schulz described Trump as a “profound” threat to democratic values who was “gambling with the security of the western world”.

Asked how he would deal with Trump as Germany’s chancellor, Schulz responded by praising Germany’s liberal constitution. “As the leader of such a country I have to pursue a combative approach to all those that question this free, open and tolerant model of a society,” he said.

 

But many, even on the German left, view their current high with suspicion. If there was a broad leftwing majority at the 2013 German elections, when the SPD, Greens and Left party collectively gained 42.7% of the vote, that majority has crumbled just as the centre-left and far-left parties have taken first steps to overcome their historic animosity.'

 

 

 

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/02/15/russias-newest-target-is-german-chancellor-angela-merkel.html

'Russia's newest target is German Chancellor Angela Merkel

German Chancellor Angela Merkel, a major defender of Western democratic values in Europe, has become the target of a Russian campaign to derail her bid for re-election this year.

Merkel is up for re-election in September for her fourth term. Russian media is mounting a fierce campaign to defeat Merkel because it apparently sees her as a threat.

“The main aim of the Russians is to get rid of Angela Merkel, who is making the last stand in Europe to maintain the sanctions against Russia for its seizure of Crimea, and because of its war in Ukraine,” said Richard Herzinger, an opinion writer for the German conservative newspaper, Die Welt.

Germany's spy agencies, however, have not found any proof that Russia is meddling with the German presidential election.'

 

 

 

 

Besieged from left and right,she's still favourite.

 

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http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/02/17/poll-merkel-eclipsed-arch-federalist-schulz-race-chancellor/

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In a straight race between the two most popular candidates to fill Germany’s top political office, long-time member of the European Parliament and enthusiastic EU acolyte Martin Schulz would beat incumbent Angela Merkel, according to a new poll.

A Schulz victory could upset the balance of power in Europe, and rock Germany which has been ruled by the centre-right Christian Democrats (CDU) for 12 years.

While the latest figures from German pollsters indicate the ruling CDU remain fractionally ahead, enjoying a significantly reduced majority which has dropped as much as ten points in a year, in a presidential style rather than federal election the left-wing Schulz would win. Welt reports some 49 per cent of Germans opted for Schulz, whereas just 38 per cent wanted Merkel to stay on, a six-point fall in just two weeks.

The latest figures follow an earlier direct-choice survey which found Merkel falling behind on 34 per cent, while EU veteran Schulz enjoyed 50 per cent support. Breitbart London reported on Monday on a poll that found deep-set dissatisfaction with the chancellor who is widely seen as one of the key architects of Europe’s migrant crisis. The research found that some 64 per cent said they wanted a new chancellor, without specifying exactly who.

While Mrs. Merkel trails behind, her party remains fractionally more popular. Barring a shock result, the CDU is likely to come out of the election as the largest party. Despite that advantage, her group of MPs will be far short of the number required to govern outright, leaving her to either reform the coalition with Schulz’s socialist party or even face being relegated to opposition against a left-wing coalition.

 

A Schulz-led German government could have major ramifications, not only for Germany — already one of the most pro-open borders nations in Europe — but also for Britain. As the United Kingdom negotiates to leave the European Union, a shift in the Eurozone’s largest economy to a more bullishly Federalist and pro-Brussels government could complicate matters.'

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Merkel falling behind on 34 per cent, while EU veteran Schulz enjoyed 50 per cent support.

 

16 points?

That's a big lead.

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Sad to say, but I am pretty certain it will be Merkel, the "Literally Hitler" tag is just too strong, and the Germans are so terrified of their past that the AfD cannot break through. Look at the opinion polls on Wiki.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_federal_election,_2017

After 4 or 5 years of the Euro crisis, AfD were at about 3 percent popularity. This increased during the until now worst days of the """refugee crisis""" in Autumn 2015 to around 13 percent, but support has not been increasing since then. There was a slight increase after the Berlin truck mass murder but that has been descreasing since then.

 

The German wiki gives the individual poll results:

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundestagswahl_2017#Sonntagsfrage_in_West-_und_Ostdeutschland

 

Schulz would be an even worse option in my opinion, an arch Europhile.

 

The best realistic possibility that could happen would be for Merkel to win, AfD to get about 10 to 12 percent, and then the FDP around 8 percent. Together with the CSU, the fairly centrist FDP and the AfD might be able to put a bit of pressur eon Merkel.

 

Keep in mind also the local elections.

https://bundestagswahl-2017.com/landtagswahlen/

 

Saarland and Schleswig-Holstein are fairly small and unimportant but Nordrhein-Westfalen (NRW) on 14th May is the most populous state in Germany and also the state probably the worst affected. It is being called a "failed state" in the German media (see the example from the CIA mouthpiece Der Spiegel)

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/deutschland-und-die-terrorabwehr-failed-state-nrw-kolumne-von-jan-fleischhauer-a-1129138.html

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the "Literally Hitler" tag is just too strong...

 

Here's a possible response to this tag:

 

Everyone is Hitler, Everyone Is A Russian Agent

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This would be an absolute disaster, Frauke Petry is considering resigning.

 

http://www.dw.com/en/afd-leader-frauke-petry-hints-at-resignation-ahead-of-convention/a-38215341

 

This is reportedly due to poor poll results. I would be willing to bet that German polling companies are using exactly the same techniques to fake results that the US companies were using last year.

Frauke Petry is the only charismatic leader that the AfD have. Bernd Lucke is excellent and actually understands economics but he was removed a couple of years ago, Gauland is too old and Beatrix von Storch is frankly just a bit weird looking to be a successful leader.

 

At this critical time for Germany and Europe, the only sensible alternative seems to be destroying itself.

Be an absolute shame if she did.I know very little about the lady.

 

As you say,I wouldn't trust those polls and having seen the way the MSM have reacted to Brexit and Trump with histrionics and 'fake' fear,you can see why they might be afraid of her.

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WTF!

 

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Merkel already has the national election won, look at these results in Schleswig-Holstein.

 

Die CDU ist Wahlsieger in Schleswig-Holstein. Die Partei um Spitzenkandidat Daniel Günther hat am Sonntag nach den Prognosen von ARD und ZDF zwischen 33 und 34 Prozent der Stimmen gewonnen. Die bisherigen Koalitionspartner SPD, Grüne und Südschleswigscher Wählerverband SSW verbuchen bei der Landtagswahl schwere Verluste und können ihre Koalition wohl nicht fortsetzen. Die SPD von Ministerpräsident Torsten Albig erreicht zwischen 26 und 27 Prozent, die Grünen kommen auf 12,5 bis 13,5 Prozent, und der SSW fällt auf 3 bis 3,5 Prozent zurück. Die AfD erreicht 5,5 Prozent und dürfte damit erstmals in den Kieler Landtag einziehen. Piraten und Linke scheitern an der Fünf-Prozent-Hürde.

 

CDU 33-34

SPD 26-27

Green 12.5-13.5

AfD 5.5

 

https://deutsche-wirtschafts-nachrichten.de/2017/05/07/prognose-schleswig-holstein-cdu-siegt-im-norden-schlappe-fuer-regierende-spd/

 

CDU are stronger than they were 5 years ago, back in the good times.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landtagswahl_in_Schleswig-Holstein_2017

 

NRW, the "failed state" votes next Sunday.

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Merkel already has the national election won, look at these results in Schleswig-Holstein.

 

Die CDU ist Wahlsieger in Schleswig-Holstein. Die Partei um Spitzenkandidat Daniel Günther hat am Sonntag nach den Prognosen von ARD und ZDF zwischen 33 und 34 Prozent der Stimmen gewonnen. Die bisherigen Koalitionspartner SPD, Grüne und Südschleswigscher Wählerverband SSW verbuchen bei der Landtagswahl schwere Verluste und können ihre Koalition wohl nicht fortsetzen. Die SPD von Ministerpräsident Torsten Albig erreicht zwischen 26 und 27 Prozent, die Grünen kommen auf 12,5 bis 13,5 Prozent, und der SSW fällt auf 3 bis 3,5 Prozent zurück. Die AfD erreicht 5,5 Prozent und dürfte damit erstmals in den Kieler Landtag einziehen. Piraten und Linke scheitern an der Fünf-Prozent-Hürde.

 

CDU 33-34

SPD 26-27

Green 12.5-13.5

AfD 5.5

 

https://deutsche-wirtschafts-nachrichten.de/2017/05/07/prognose-schleswig-holstein-cdu-siegt-im-norden-schlappe-fuer-regierende-spd/

 

CDU are stronger than they were 5 years ago, back in the good times.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landtagswahl_in_Schleswig-Holstein_2017

 

NRW, the "failed state" votes next Sunday.

Much as I can't stand her.I would put my money on her at the moment.

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Obama gets rock-star welcome in Berlin, praises Merkel

 

 

BERLIN (AP) -- Barack Obama received a rock-star welcome in Berlin as he appeared at a public debate Thursday with Chancellor Angela Merkel, whom he praised as one of his "favorite partners" during his presidency.

Security was tight in front of the German capital's Brandenburg Gate, where the former U.S. president and Merkel appeared on a podium before tens of thousands of people attending a gathering marking the 500th anniversary of the Protestant Reformation. All visitors had their bags searched, police helicopters patrolled the skies and snipers with balaclavas watched the scene from nearby rooftops.

 

At the beginning of their discussion, Obama praised Merkel to the excited cheers of a crowd of young Protestants, who had traveled from all over Germany and beyond to attend the religious gathering.

"Not only do I love this city, but one of my favorite partners throughout my presidency is sitting next to me," Obama said with a big smile. Merkel smiled right back at him.

"Chancellor Merkel has done outstanding work, not just here in Germany, but around the world," Obama said.

After lauding Merkel, he launched a defense of his own presidency and the values of liberal democracy championed by both leaders.

Citing the rise of nationalism and xenophobia in parts of the world, Obama told the crowd that "we have to push back against those trends that would violate human rights or suppress democracy or restrict individual freedoms."

In a veiled reference to his successor Donald Trump, who has proposed to cut support for diplomacy and international aid by nearly a third, Obama said those programs are essential aspects of national security policy.

"We can't isolate ourselves. We can't hide behind a wall," he said, to cheers from the audience.

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> more: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_GERMANY_OBAMA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-05-25-06-11-14

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http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/05/26/polish-pm-eviscerates-european-elite-attack-european-culture/

'The prime minister of Poland has launched a blistering attack on the “political elites” of Europe in the wake of the Manchester terror attack, warning the continent must put in place “strong politicians” willing to tackle the threat or risk “crying over your children”'

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Shaking off the Rothschildren...

 

(Ben F.):

"Merkel... is circling the wagons for Khazarian bloodline rule in Europe even as the US shakes it off"

 

 

US and Russia to put the squeeze on Rothschild controlled France and Germany

Posted by benjamin
May 30, 2017

The split in the Western power structure between the meritocratic gnostic illuminati and the Khazarian bloodline families was put out for all to see during last weekend’s G7 meeting. For those who follow normal diplomatic protocol, the war of words at and after the meeting, between the Germans and the French on the one side and the British and the Americans on the other, was unprecedented in the post war era. US President Donald Trump, for example, called the Germans “very, very bad,” and threatened to stop importing German cars to the US.

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/05/the-germans-are-bad-very-bad-trump-pledges-to-stop-german-car-sales-to-us/

He also failed to mention Article 5, the collective defense clause, in his speech to NATO, implying basically that Russia could just go ahead and march into France and Germany without worrying about the US. Without US help, Germany and France would fall to Russia in a matter of weeks.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel, for her part, said “Europe must take its fate into its own hands,” after the summit and noted that Britain, with Brexit and the US, with Trump, were no longer reliable partners. The German slave, French President Emmanuel Macron, followed his masters’ orders by deliberately snubbing Trump and trying to hurt his hand during a handshake.

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-05-27/macron-erupts-onto-world-stage-with-trump-snub-and-a-bromance

These sorts of shenanigans, as well as the civil war raging in Washington DC, prompted Chinese official media to comment that Western democracy “is crumbling.”

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1047737.shtml

The overall tone of the article also lends support to NSA allegations that Chinese President Xi Jinping works for the Rothschilds because it adheres closely to the US corporate media lies about Trump and seems to predict Trump will be impeached over “Russia.” The Chinese, of course, are bitter about Trump because they invested heavily in Hillary Clinton and were promised Japan as a reward if she won.

What is really going on here in fact, is a split between countries still under Khazarian bloodline mafia rule and those who are moving towards meritocracy. In other words Merkel, who as Hitler’s daughter is a member of the Saxe-Gotha-Rothschild family, is circling the wagons for Khazarian bloodline rule in Europe even as the US shakes it off. The UK and Canada, of course, retain symbolic bloodline rule but it is publicly supported there plus it is in the open for all to see; not hidden behind lies and murders as is the case in Germany, France, Italy and elsewhere.

Inside the US, meanwhile, the battle against the Khazarian rear-guard still holding out in Washingtion DC is nearing its final stages, Pentagon and agency sources agree. Zbigniew “it’s easier to kill a million than convince a million” Brzezinski “was sent to meet his master rocky [David Rockefeller],” the sources note. Brzezinski’s death means that...

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> http://benjaminfulford.net/2017/05/30/us-and-russia-to-put-the-squeeze-on-rothschild-controlled-france-and-germany/

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Orban Was Right – Merkel Re election Will Destroy Germany, 1793

 

Thousands are stream into the country, uncontrolled.

"No upper limit"

"The September Fairytale" exposed

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Merkel Hangs on to Power But Bleeds Support to Surging Far Right
Reuters05:30PM
Weakened Merkel wins fourth term, hit by nationalist 'earthquake'...

Hard-right marches into parliament...

... ...
Chancellor Angela Merkel won a fourth term in office on Sunday but will have to build an uneasy coalition to form a German government after her conservatives haemorrhaged support in the face of a surge by the far-right.
The anti-immigration Alternative for Germany (AfD) stunned the establishment by winning 13.1 percent of the vote, projected results showed, a result that will bring a far-right party into parliament for the first time in more than half a century.
Merkel’s conservative bloc emerged as the largest parliamentary party but, with just 33.2 percent of the vote, saw its support slump to the lowest since 1949 - the first time national elections were held in post-war Germany.
Her main Social Democrat rivals also received their worst result since the 1940s -- just 20.8 percent -- after nearly half of voters repudiated the two parties that have dominated Germany since World War Two.
. . .
In a bombshell for the German establishment, the anti-Islam, anti-immigration Alternative for Germany (AfD) captured around 13 percent, catapulting it to become the country's third biggest political force.
Commentators called the AfD's strong performance a "watershed moment" in the history of the German republic. The top-selling Bild daily spoke of a "political earthquake".
AfD supporters gathered at a Berlin club, cheering as public television reported the outcome, many joining in a chorus of the German national anthem.
Hundreds of protesters rallied outside, shouting "Nazis out!" while smaller AfD demonstrations were held in other cities across the country.
The four-year-old nationalist party with links to the far-right French National Front and Britain's UKIP has been shunned by Germany's mainstream but was able to build on particularly strong support in ex-communist eastern Germany.
It is now headed for the opposition benches of the Bundestag lower house, dramatically boosting its visibility and state financing.

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- Breaking taboos -

But the AfD was able to capitalise on anger over the asylum issue during what was criticised as a largely lacklustre campaign bereft of real clashes among the main contenders.

The party has made breaking taboos its trademark.

Top AfD candidate Alexander Gauland has called for Germans to shed their guilt over two world wars and the Holocaust and to take pride in their veterans.

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The Witch who won't (be able to hold onto power... apparently)

 

Germany Has Plunged Into Unprecedented Political Chaos
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Paul Hockenos
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Foreign Policy Magazine November 21, 2017
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Germany Has Plunged Into Unprecedented Political Chaos
It’s going to be a while before Europe’s most powerful country has a stable government – and Angela Merkel probably won't be leading it.

As little as an hour before midnight Sunday night, there was a flicker of light at the end of the long tunnel — at least three of the four German parties participating in the laborious exploratory coalition talks thought so.

Germany’s Christian Democratic Union (CDU), its Bavarian sister party the Christian Social Union (CSU), the Greens, and the liberal Free Democrats (FDP) had been hunkered down in tense, complicated negotiations for nearly five weeks, by all accounts the going was extremely tough: Never before had such a broad, diverse constellation of parties been the only workable coalition option possible in light of the outcome of a national election. Immediately after the Sept. 24 vote, the Social Democratic Party (SPD), the Christian Democrats’ partner in power for eight of the last 12 years, categorically refused to be Chancellor Angela Merkel’s sidekick for another term, having recorded its worst showing ever in the September vote — a disaster that the Social Democrats attributed directly to Merkel’s political style.

This left the four unlikely bedfellows, whose agendas span the political spectrum, to hash it out between them and find a way to rule Europe’s economic powerhouse and mainstay of stability. But they failed to do so, and what the near future holds — for Merkel, Germany, and Europe as a whole — is clouded by the events of the past sleepless weekend.

The collapse of the talks has thrown Germany into profound political crisis, casting it into waters the country has no experience in navigating: Never before in German postwar history has an election been repeated due to the inability to form a governing majority coalition. Nor since the days of the interwar Weimar Republic have Germany’s democratic parties been under such pressure from the far-right, which stands to gain whether there are fresh elections or not. Moreover, the unexpected turn of events further undermines Merkel’s authority, putting her in an even weaker position than where she had landed after the September vote, in which her CDU and the CSU fared significantly worse than expected — and a far-right party entered the Bundestag for the first time in its history.

 

But the limbo also casts Europe into an existential quandary: the European Union, mired in the severest crisis since its founding, was counting on Merkel and a new German government to deliver, in tandem with France’s President Emmanuel Macron, the energy and vision for far-reaching reforms to deepen European integration. EU proponents had assumed that both politicians would have strong, four-year mandates in front of them, as well as auspicious personal chemistry. But now everything, including the EU’s prospects, is up in the air — even the political future of Angela Merkel, who just months ago was a pillar of stability in a shaky, disoriented Europe.

The prospect of a “Jamaica coalition” (the colors of the four parties are green, black, and yellow, the colors of Jamaica’s flag) was anything but ideal for any of the parties involved. Yet since it was the only route to forging a government, all of the parties signaled their willingness and intention to compromise on the maximal demands they pledged in the election campaign — on taxation, immigration, climate protection, and social issues. It was assumed that if anyone could broker a government out of the competing interests involved, it was Merkel herself — a politico known for her sensibility, pragmatism, and ability to compromise across party lines. Obviously, such a mixed coalition implied that she would have to compromise her own positions on post-Brexit EU reform, making her less able to meet Macron half way. Macron was counting on Merkel to help him bind the eurozone more tightly together, to push investment in southern Europe, and to design new EU policies on taxation and defense. Now, however, even the less-than-optimal alternative of a weakened Merkel as head of a fractious Jamaica coalition is off the table — and something worse could well be in the wings.

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Whatever the FDP’s motives — and the consequences for the party — the debacle’s biggest loser may be Merkel herself. It was the CDU/CSU’s poor showing — attributed by critics in her own party to Merkel’s lackluster campaign and centrist affinities — in the election that boxed the Christian Democrats into a corner with the Jamaica coalition as the only option. Thus the pressure on her was immense to somehow make it work. If Germany is obliged to hold new elections, which some observers see as unavoidable, she would leave the floundering, partnerless Christian Democrats an open target for the far-right.

“It’s an ideal situation for the AfD [far-right Alternative for Germany], which will paint the mainstream parties as bumbling elites ready to compromise everything and waste taxpayers’ money,” Detlev Claussen, a sociologist at University of Hannover, told Foreign Policy. “The AfD will look all the more respectable now.

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> https://www.yahoo.com/news/germany-plunged-unprecedented-political-chaos-163930030.html

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Germany’s Merkel gets a potential lifeline as center-left party says it’s willing to talk
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German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s center-right Christian Democratic Union (CDU) remains the dominant party, but it still needs to work with other parties to cobble together a governing partnership. (Bilan/European Pressphoto Agency/EFE/Rex/Shutterstock)
By Griff Witte November 24 at 6:08 AM

BERLIN — The impasse that has gripped German politics all week showed signs of breaking Friday as a main center-left party backed down from pledges that it would not consider teaming with Chancellor Angela Merkel to form a government.

The shift gives Merkel a potential path out of a crisis that has been called the worst of her 12-year tenure. It also lessens the chance that Germans will go back to the polls in early 2018 after an inconclusive September election left the country without an obvious formula for a stable government.

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