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Media Wars: Old Media panicking; as New News sources surge

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  1. 1. Who is the real source of Fake News? (tick all)

    • Infowars, Breitbart, WhatReallyHappened etc
    • CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, etc
    • The New York Times, Washington Post, etc
    • The Russians
    • The CIA
    • Other - please comment in a post
  2. 2. Which of these do you see happening in 2017?

    • The old MSM will restore its reputation and thrive again
    • The Independent Media will go on growing and thriving
    • War will intensify between the Old MSN, and the Independent Media
    • Some old MSM outlets will get into financial difficulty
    • Censorship will increase in the "controlled" Social Media (FB, GOOG, TWTR, etc)
    • Attempts will be made to shutdown parts of the internet
    • The emerging Independent Media will find new ways to cooperate
    • Other big change or trend - please post comment

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Fake Old Media: real fake News purveyors are panicking




They are fighting for their lives, and are doing the best to undermine the growing power of the Independent Media.

The War between Old and New that is underway looks set to get more intense


This thread will list some of the main outlets on both sides, and discuss the Media Wars

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: Good Guys? The Independent Media

+ Infowars--------- : http://Infowars.com : Alex Jones Channel :

+ Breitbart.com-- : http://www.breitbart.com/

+ Drudge Report : http://drudgereport.com/

+ Zero Hedge---- : http://ZeroHedge.com

+ What Really Happened : WRH : Mike Rivero podcasts :

+ Red Ice--------- : RedIceTV : RedIceRadio :

+ Rense.com----- : http://Rense.com : RenseArchives :

+ 21st Century--- : http://21stcenturywire.com/


> MSM's "fake news" List(s) : Prof.Zimdars' Fake News Guide : RedState : DailyDot :



> source: http://www.marketingcharts.com/traditional/us-adults-trust-in-mass-media-plunges-to-another-low-71028/


: Bad Guys? The controlled corporate media (MSM)

+ TV Networks: CNN, ABC, CBS, MSNBC

+ Newspapers: The NY Times, The Washington Post

+ Online News: HuffPost, Salon, VOX


> Ron Paul, the real fakes : http://www.ronpaullibertyreport.com/archives/revealed-the-real-fake-news-list


"Pretending to be ‘objective’ while pumping out the day’s talking points handed down from a centralized media establishment, hell-bent on self-preservation and expansion, is hardly ‘real’ journalism." > source



> source: http://www.gallup.com/poll/195542/americans-trust-mass-media-sinks-new-low.aspx


Still balanced News, telling some key truths

+ Fox News---- : Fox on Youtube : Sean Hannity : Tucker Carlson :




Social Media, controlled shills





Social Media, the growing alternative

+ Gab, etc


Please feel free to disagree, and comment here

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Trump on Russia meddling in US election: 'I don't believe it'

Jim Mannion /
AFP December 11, 2016
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President-elect Donald Trump remains skeptical of CIA findings that Russia meddled in the US election (AFP Photo/TIMOTHY A. CLARY)

Washington (AFP) - President-elect Donald Trump dismissed a brewing storm over Russian cyber meddling in the US election, rejecting as "ridiculous" US intelligence reports that Moscow tried to help him win the White House.

"I don't believe it," Trump said in a pre-recorded interview that was broadcast Sunday on Fox News.

"I think it's ridiculous," Trump said, putting it down as an attempt by Democrats to find an excuse for their embarrassing election loss.

In the interview Trump touched on other issues -- questioning US commitment to the "one China policy" without concessions from Beijing, and hailing Exxon CEO Rex Tillerson, who is under consideration for secretary of state, as "a world class player."

But the controversy over the latest US intelligence consensus on Russia and Trump's skepticism of the findings dominated the conversation at a time of deepening political divisions over how to respond to the hacking attacks.

Two top Republican senators -- John McCain and Lindsey Graham -- joined leading Democrats Sunday in calling for greater public disclosure about "recent cyber attacks that have cut to the heart of our free society."

"This cannot become a partisan issue. The stakes are too high for our country," they said in a joint statement with Chuck Schumer, the incoming Democratic leader in the Senate, and Jack Reed, the ranking Democrat on the Senate Armed Services Committee.

They pledged to work across party lines to have the incidents investigated, but other Republicans said the evidence does not support the conclusions that the Russian meddling was aimed at helping Trump.

. . .

The New York Times quoted a senior administration officials as saying there was "high confidence" that the Russians hacked both the Democratic and Republican National Committees, but leaked only documents damaging to Clinton through WikiLeaks.

Reince Priebus, the Republican National Committee chairman and Trump's incoming White House chief of staff, said the FBI had investigated and told the RNC it had not been hacked.

WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has denied links with Russia's government.

Trump dismissed the intelligence reports, asserting there is "great confusion" over the issue within the spy agencies.

"Nobody really knows," he said. "They have no idea if it's Russia or China or somebody. It could be somebody sitting in a bed some place. They have no idea."

Trump suggested he had little confidence in the US intelligence agencies and would clean house once in office.


> MORE: https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-russia-meddling-us-election-dont-believe-142014369.html


What evidence? Has anyone seen any genuine evidence supporting this bizarre claim?

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Other big change or trend - please post comment


President Trump may handle his media outreach VERY differently than past Presidents did


+ he may continue to use TWTR

+ he may develop his own channel to DIRECTLY communicate with the people

+ Old media may find itself with very access to the new President

+ Less biased outlets, like Fox, Infowars, Breitbart, etc may have the best access

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TWO alternative universes - Too many believed, and promoted the "fake news" narrative pushed by the MSM

... until it failed ... Now what?

How easy will it be to push the Spin on the Lie stream going forward. NOT Easy, I think. This change may be permanent


Megyn Kelly claims she ran Fake News narrative of Trump has NO chance at winning

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Best-paid in the Old Media ... Salaries bound to fall in the post-election period


media-bias.jpg : US-Media-War-Against-Pakistan.jpg


ACTOR / SHOW / NETWORK---------- : Est. per annum
Bill O'Reilly, the O'Reilly Factor (FNC) : $18M-$20M
Megyn Kelly, the Kelly File (FNC)------ : $10M-$12M
Shepard Smith, Shepard Smith (FNC) : $10M
George Stephanopolous, GMA (ABC) : $10M
Anderson Cooper, A.C. 360 (CNN)---- : $9M-$11M
David Muir, WorldNewsTonight (ABC)- : $7M
Rachel Maddow, R.M. Show (MSNBC) : $7M
=== ===

> source: http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/highest-paid-tv-actors-salaries-1201874142/


Megyn Kelly is said to be negotiating with CNN, aiming for a higher salary.

If she gets it, will this help to take CNN down, or will she just replace Anderson Cooper?

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The Lie-Stream promotes Fake News overseas too




This week, the momentum in Syria shifted dramatically as the Syrian Army liberated the Old City in eastern Aleppo, so far retaking 80% of ‘rebel’-held areas in the city. As a result, operatives in Washington and their allies are now taking desperate measures in order to try and preserve the viability of remaining terrorist forces on the ground – in the hopes of extending Syria’s five year bloody conflict and overthrowing the legal government in Damascus. 21WIRE will post more ALEPPO UPDATES as new information comes in…

The Western mainstream media continue to give a twisted picture of reality in Aleppo.

During CNN’s coverage of newly liberated areas of East Aleppo on Wednesday afternoon, CNN anchor Kate Bolduan (who cried profusely over staged ‘Dusty Boy’ Omran image) spoke to her correspondent Fred Pleitgen by telephone (offering no real images, so it’s impossible to verify if Pleitgen was actually in East Aleppo as CNN claimed, more than likely he was not), and Bolduan refers to Pleitgen as “the first western journalist inside East Aleppo,” which is in itself a lie, as RT’s Lizzie Phelan (who is British and therefore western) was already reporting from the East-West green line in Aleppo since late Monday.

CNN was characterizing the liberation of East Aleppo as a “humanitarian disaster”...

. . .


> MORE: http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/12/09/cnn-fake-news-vs-real-news-first-images-of-abandoned-terrorist-facilities-in-east-aleppo-not-from-cnn/

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TRUST in Mainstream Media : Keeps falling, and Hits a new low in 2016


US Adults’ Trust in Mass Media Plunges to Another Low

September 22, 2016 - by MarketingCharts staff



Only about 1 in 3 American adults trust the mass media to report the news fully, accurately and fairly, according to a new Gallup survey. That’s the lowest level in the history of this Gallup survey, which has been fielded annually since 1997 and stretches back to 1972. This year’s figure represents a precipitous 8-point drop from last year’s low point.


That’s the largest drop since confidence fell from 54% of respondents in 2003 to 44% in 2004. Indeed, this year almost as many adults said they have no trust and confidence in the media at all (27%) than said they have a fair amount (24%) or great deal (8%) combined.

The Gallup analysts note that this year’s election may be to blame, as Republicans’ trust (combination of “a great deal” and “a fair amount”) plunged from 32% last year to 14% this year. By comparison, 51% of Democrats (down from 55% last year) expressed trust and confidence in the media, as did 30% of independents (down from 33% last year).


> More: http://www.marketingcharts.com/traditional/us-adults-trust-in-mass-media-plunges-to-another-low-71028/


Few Young Americans Very Satisfied With the National Media
July 14, 2016- by MarketingCharts staff



Young Americans are “less enthusiastic” about the news than their older counterparts, and are less voracious consumers of news, according to a report [pdf] from the Pew Research Center and the John S. and James L. Knight Foundation. Just 27% of 18-29-year-olds reported following news all or most of the time, about one-third of the proportion of adults aged 65 and older (77%).

Moreover, only 1 in 10 18-29-year-olds say they trust the information from the national media a lot, compared to 24% of those 65 and up. And the oldest respondents (65+) are more than three times as likely as the youngest to say that the national media do a very good job of keeping them informed.


> More: http://www.marketingcharts.com/traditional/few-young-americans-very-satisfied-with-the-national-media-69003/

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The LIe-Stream monsters are begetting children, like VOX.com (designed to fool us)


The mainstream media continues to deflect from its own collapse in credibility in the wake of Hillary Clinton’s epic electoral meltdown by inventing a synthetic ‘fake news’ crisis and scapegoating Clinton’s loss on bloggers and cheap eastern European hoax websites. In addition to mainstream media constantly pushing out actual fake news, corporate media giants have also created their own fake ‘alternative media’ as well. Here are a number of media operatives appearing on TV pretending to be ‘alternative media’ but in reality are really funded by the major broadcast media empires.


One of these is a political news website called Vox.com. It’s designed to look like an edgy ‘alternative’ news source, but in reality, Vox is just another establishment consensus reality-building tool.


> http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/12/10/tucker-carlson-slams-vox-com-editor-over-fake-news/


Tucker Carlson vs. Vox over "Fake News"


Published on Dec 9, 2016

Tucker Carlson takes on Vox reporter Timothy Lee over "fake news" circulating on the internet. (December 9th, 2016)

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RON PAUL is on the case


Ron Paul: War On 'Fake News' Part Of War On Free Speech – OpEd
Eurasia Review-3 hours ago
A major threat to liberty is the assault on the right to discuss political issues, seek out alternative information sources, and promote dissenting ...
Ron Paul Releases List of REAL ‘Fake News’ & Colluding Journalists
Published on Nov 25, 2016

Ron Paul Releases List of REAL ‘Fake News’ & Colluding Journalists

> Ron Paul, the real fakes : http://www.ronpaulli...-fake-news-list

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When in Trouble : Eliminate the competition, right?

A new law may help the CIA do that


Roger Stone: Old Media Panicking, Wants Competition Banned


Published on Dec 11, 2016

No one noticed when Obama went to the Army Navy Game, but they went wild when they say Trump.
RS: Trump needs to veto the fake news legislation when it hits his desk. They are accusing us of exactly what THEY are doing. Baer is fake news, CBS, NBC, NYT, Fake news in their cases goes to the front page.

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Is Outright censorship next? Corbett asks (in the above video)

The spin, lies, manipulation and deceptions are coming so fast and thick it's increasingly difficult to document them all, let alone analyze them. But in the broad sweep of recent events we can see a common theme emerging: the abnormalization of dissent. And when political ideology boils down to nothing more than "real" and "fake" the control of political discourse through language itself is almost complete. Can outright censorship be far behind?


And, If you ask for proof of Russian hacking, then you must be a Russian agent, Right?


The idea that Mrs Clinton, who has done nothing but LIE REPEATEDLY, about almost everything - could be involved in determining what is truth, is truly scary. Remember, it was the story of her and her mistreating of top secret info, which kicked off this story. If Russian could hack Podesta's email, couldn;t they also Hack her wide-open server?


Russians Hackers a "False Flag" Says former U.N. Ambassador John Bolton



Hilary's the fake (leader) and everyone around her, or supporting her, should be held in suspicion.


... The Fake News narrative has "jumped the shark" (and become totally ridiculous):


Brian Williams Warns About 'Fake News'

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Big change in Old Media coming? Fulford thinks so


THIS is from his Dec.12th report


The fact is the real fake news outlets are propaganda organs like the New York Times, the Washington Post, CNN, BBC etc. These are the outlets that still routinely report lies about 911, Iran, Saddam Hussein, ISIS, Russia etc. All of these lying corporate propaganda outlets will soon experience a change in management and will be forced to either report the truth or be shut down.


Both Asian secret society and Western agency sources report that a major purge is ongoing and that large numbers of people are “disappearing” in Asia and in the West. The outward sign of this has been the domino fall of Khazarian mafia controlled governments.
However, the Asian secret society sources say that information provided by the NSA claiming that Chinese President Xi Jinping reported to Evelyn de Rothschild was false. They say the Asians have been having a series of meeting where, among other things, it was decided that since Xi supports world peace, he will remain in power. Other world leaders, however, will continue to resign, the sources agree.


The most recent domino to fall was South Korean President Park Geun Hye who was impeached last week. South Koreans were infuriated to hear revelations from Wikileaks and other sources that Park took part in “Satanic rituals” and allowed Demonic spirits “complete control over her body and soul.”


There has been a strenuous campaign by the Khazarian mafia to deny any connection to Satanism but more and more insiders are saying it is very real. The images of ritualistic cannibalism at an elite party run by Marina Ambramovic are a reflection of very real cannibalistic orgies that do take place, bloodline family sources say.


> MORE: http://benjaminfulford.net/2016/12/12/khazarian-mafia-still-planning-big-false-flag-events-but-their-defeat-is-certain/

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"Stark, Raving, Mad" Media - Jon Rapoport



Understand that these media giants not only believe they own the news, they also believe they create reality itself for the masses. They carve into the rock and unveil the sculpture. They script and direct the movie and screen it. They paint the ceiling fresco and display it. They write the novel and sell it. They produce the stage play and review it.

And suddenly…they lose.

The kings and queens of information lose.

In their venomous hatred, they have only one option. They must discredit the election itself.

First, they attack Trump as unworthy of the office of the Presidency; but, predictably, that goes nowhere.

They support the Soros-funded protests and riots in cities across America. As in 1968, with the full-blown riots at the Chicago Democratic Convention, the American people recoil and “support the other side.” Another loss.

Next: the talking point about fake news sites emerges. Big media are becoming unhinged. They claim: thousands and thousands and thousands of sites and blogs have been spreading malicious falsehoods about Hillary Clinton, thus duping the public—and THIS is why she lost.

Part Two: the malicious falsehoods came from Russia.

The slightly more complex narrative that Russia hacked hundreds of thousands of Hillary-DNC-Podesta emails, passed them to Wikileaks, who then leaked them to the public, is submerged under the general accusation: Russia helped Trump win. Russia made Trump win.

Russia hacked the election. The distinction between “Russia hacked emails” and “Russia hacked the actual vote” is lost, if it was ever there to begin with.

Big media, like demented nursing home residents in wheelchairs, zoomed across the lawn to the edge of a high cliff and kept on going.


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THE REVERSE of this is True: the Lying NYT is a threat to We-the-People


Will a Trump administration need to put restrictions on Lying MSM


OUTRAGEOUS! New York Times Says Trump Is A Threat To Democracy

Published on Dec 16, 2016


"A Losing strategy" - will it blow up in their face?



Carlos Slim just gave the faltering NYT, a $200 Million loan,

after they LOST MONEY in an election year

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Zuck's Left-leaning Agenda exposed --- Forget FB, don't got there anymore !


9 Reasons Why PolitiFact Is Unqualified to Label ‘Fake News’


Dec 16, 2016 Source: breitbart.com


Left-leaning PolitiFact is on the newly revealed list of “fact checking” organizations Facebook will reportedly use to label “fake news” stories as they appear on the social media platform.

“We’ll use the reports from our community, along with other signals, to send stories to these organizations,” Facebook VP Adam Mosseri wrote in the Facebook news blog. “If the fact checking organizations identify a story as fake, it will get flagged as disputed and there will be a link to the corresponding article explaining why.”

Facebook’s decision to tout PolitiFact as a credible and independent fact checker is awfully disturbing, given the organization’s repeated smear campaign against Donald Trump throughout the 2016 election.


Facebook’s “fake news” flaggers, Politifact, et al., have a history of showing sympathy for left-wing narratives. Time and again PolitiFact published stories that favored Hillary Clinton’s candidacy, while promoting “fact checks” meant to rebut or embarrass Republicans


> MORE: https://redice.tv/news/9-reasons-why-politifact-is-unqualified-to-label-fake-news

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More digs at my local cabal supporting politician. He would never reply to my email in a million years, just reading it will give him a headache, lol


Dear Mr Griffiths

Sensible interview with Julian Assange who reveals the extreme corruption within both Governments and controlled media which is the main source of deception in our society. Western Governments, especially the US and UK have completely lost all credibility and it's getting worse every day as the Cabal force through all manner of laws and legislation to silence free speech and erode freedoms because it exposing them.


Full Interview with Julian Assage




CIA meddled in ‘hundreds’ of elections: Ron Paul talks Russia-blaming, fake news and more on RT





As we can see the vast majority of politicians are too afraid to comment because they are embedded in the swamp of Westminster or they fear any free and open discussion since they might lose face or favour.


So, any right minded person would be thinking just how do we rid ourselves of this corrupt Machiavellian / Orwellian type system that has been used for the purposes of control and power for thousands of years?


The first hurdle is that when anyone serves the establishment an oath of allegiance is sworn to the Monarch and not the people, but going against the Monarch is seen as treasonous - the system is cleverly devised and self protects. As long as the system does not squeeze the farm animals too much they can do as they please. This is quite evil which also protects the next level of power administered by secret societies that rule from the shadows. At this level pedophilia and child abuse is rife, where Babylonian type ceremonies, blood oaths and sacrifice are enacted for real.


There's much more to these cult rituals but most are not ready for the truth but many people are innocently involved with say Freemasonry up to around the third level. Very few go further. Incidentally Blair was 33 degree hence why he was duty bound to support Bush, Skull and Bones with his wars and strategy of continuous destabilisation of the Middle East.


Anyone that questions these facts should listen to JFK's famous speech where he attempted to expose and prevent these secret societies from manipulating both Governments and Global affairs.


Until these matters are exposed and corrected then we can never have peace, freedom, democracy or fairness. Three hundred people control 90% of the worlds wealth, even that should tell most people something, but those people in this lucrative loop seek to protect it.

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"They're taking the YOU out of YouTube"


Google-owned ---Tube is now JewTube, as they push you towards the Zio-owned Media


Roger Stone Breaks Down The Soros/Clinton Plan To Overthrow The Election


You now have to click on the (liberty) bell to get the Videos you subcribed to.

Else, they will just show you the ones that pay THEM the most

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Is "Fake News" just the Last gambit, before the MSM and the Globalist crash and burn?


"FAKE NEWS AGENDA:" & the US Govt.'s New Propaganda Factory


Published on Dec 19, 2016


"It's an all-out attempt to discredit the Pizzagate stories"


FACTS no longer matter... We are living in a post-Truth society...

The "Fake News" is whatever the power structure tells you it is

And so is "Hate speech", that other weaponized phrase used by governments to control dissent and Truth-seeking

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There's no longer a Gatekeeper - we have to analyze news ourselves


Ben Shapiro on Fake News, Crumbling Mainstream Media, and Russia's Hacking (Part 3)


"If somebody is hated by both sides, that's a sign they are honest" (haha - but some truth there)


Fake News versus False Angles

Shapiro points the difference between FAKE News, and News that is not-fake, but comes from an angle you do not like

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NYT Losing ...


New York Times Will Vacate 8 Floors In Its HQ To Generate ...


4 days ago - New York Times Will Vacate 8 Floors In Its HQ To Generate "Significant

... the newspaper will vacate at least eight floors in its iconic building, ...

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Even Bill O'Reilly is now acknowledging the extreme bias of the Lame Stream Media


Bill O’Reilly Liberal Media ‘Hatred’ Against Trump Is Out of Control Mediaite



Published on Dec 14, 2016

Bill O’Reilly said tonight that the liberal media’s “hatred” of President-elect Donald Trump is getting out of control.

He cited recent remarks by Joy Behar, Washington Post columnist Jennifer Rubin, and CNN’s Brian Stelter to say that the media “hysteria” is reaching new heights. “I think what has happened,” he said, “is these people are so overwrought that almost every fair-minded American doesn’t listen to them anymore.”

Eboni Williams pointed out how some on the left feel it’s dangerous for the press to do anything to “legitimize” Trump. O’Reilly said that’s absolutely “insane.”

Trish Regan added that the pretense of fairness is so thin in the liberal media, “God forbid you actually say something in defense of Donald Trump.”

O’Reilly said it’s not so much the bias he minds, but the “hatred.” He even went so far as to say he wouldn’t watch a TV show hosted by David Duke “because he’s a hater.”

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