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Taiwan summary:

 

Robitaille, can see he has been doing it wrong and now he hopes to do it right.

 

"we were victims of thinking in a mainstream approach"

 

I don't know of AAK saw the whole thing.

(I havent had time to watch any of it yet.)

Even so, I expect his summary may be accurate

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I don't know of AAK saw the whole thing.

(I havent had time to watch any of it yet.)

Even so, I expect his summary may be accurate

I listened to the whole thing. About 95% or more of the call was spent talking about aspects of QEG that would be relevant if they can produce free power from the Toroid which they admit they have not yet produced.

 

Evidently Robitaille knows he has discovered nothing new and is only relying on Thrapps design.

 

From elsewhere, via third party donations they have at least 100,000 as of last week, plus whatever they get via direct paypal payments.

 

Val said 80 people are going to Morroco.

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Interesting

 

I listened to the whole thing. About 95% or more of the call was spent talking about aspects of QEG that would be relevant if they can produce free power from the Toroid which they admit they have not yet produced.

 

Evidently Robitaille knows he has discovered nothing new and is only relying on Thrapps design.

 

From elsewhere, via third party donations they have at least 100,000 as of last week, plus whatever they get via direct paypal payments.

 

Val said 80 people are going to Morroco.

 

The more time they spend in Morocco, the less seriously, I will take QEG.

 

In my mind, the historical association with OPPT is a negative factor. And Hopegirl should know that.

I was hoping she had outgrown them, but perhaps not.

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The most interesting thing for me that comes out of the QEG saga is how easy it is to generate enthusiasm and an income just by making promises where what is promised is very very highly improbable.

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The most interesting thing for me that comes out of the QEG saga is how easy it is to generate enthusiasm and an income just by making promises where what is promised is very very highly improbable.

 

 

True enough.

Here's a video, which partly talks about the willingness of New Agers to "accept" a cause or story without any Fact-Checking,

simply because of the Good intentions that seem to drive it.

 

For some odd reason, some people tend to throw away their discernment capabilities, when they see (apparent) "good intentions"

 

Truth Seekers : Let's SWOTT the BEWOEs

 

= https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIN_bWEItA8 =

Published on 13 Apr 2014

 

Definitions:

SWOTT - Seeking Whole Of The Truth

BEWOE - Beliefs Entirely With-Out Evidence

======

Hello and Welcome, Truth Seekers!

Isn't it time we STOOD our ground?

I am sure I am not alone in this. The pattern of wishful thinking is all too common these days.

It is time to be aware of how the Truth is being abused and consider what we can do about it.

. . .

But first, let me make some statements of what I consider to be some basic truths:

1 / Simple Good Intentions alone are not enough to effect major positive change

2 / Many scams are wrapped up inside the appearance of good intentions

3 / No one is going to save us by handing out huge sums of money; we need to save ourselves

4 / Facts and evidence truly do matter

5 / We have a resonsibility to do research, and not just go with "what resonates" with our past belief, or what fits the dreams we may hold

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OPEN LETTER from WITTS Founder

 

[5:14:54 PM] glenn r: Sorry guys, but this open letter of Caution needs to be passed on!!

 

glenn r: [sunday, April 13, 2014 6:12 PM] Richard and Anne Lobwein:

 

<<< Hi All

Re the QEG plans – There are some issues that everyone needs to be aware of.

 

I am a good friend of the custodian of this technology (Sir Timothy Thrapp) and I spoke to him at length last night about the distribution of these QEG plans.

It would appear that these plans have been distributed without the permission of Sir Timothy.

 

This has been done apparently, on the grounds that the ‘Fix the World’ group felt that such technology belongs to the world, that it is improper for Sir Timothy and WITTS to be ‘sitting’ on it’ and that in light of this viewpoint, their action in distributing the plans without permission is justified.

 

Without dwelling on the negative aspects of this action, Sir Timothy has spoken at some length on his regular webcast, about the implications of this development (you can find the links to these on the WITTS website – http://www.witts.ws ).

 

Sir Timothy has given me permission to assist him in passing on the main points to as wide an audience as possible, because of the significant risks that now potentially affect millions of people.

 

Following, is a summary of the central issues arising out of my discussions with him last night.

1. The ‘Fix The World’ group only attended one class with Sir Timothy on the construction of this QEG, before they determined to distribute the plans without permission.

2. It normally takes about 12 classes in order for most people to develop a working understanding of how the different types of quantum energy fields interact, how to balance them and how to make them stable and safe.

 

3. The reason that WITTS has not widely distributed this technology themselves, is because it is inherently dangerous in the hands of anyone who is not highly educated and competent in their understanding of QE technology. WITTS has some 200 years of accumulated experience in this area and has existed for most of that time under conditions of ruthless suppression. It is only in recent times that they have learned themselves, how to balance and stabilise the matrix of QE fields that make this machine do what it does.

4. WITTS scientists and engineers are doing everything they know to do, to raise funds to enable mass production of these devices. They will teach anyone who wants to build one themselves, how to do it safely – but on the proviso that they do not distribute the technology without permission because of the enormous risks involved when expert guidance is not in place.

 

5. The amount of money that people are now likely to spend on buiding QEGs that either do not work or are dangerous, would build the factory that WITTS needs to mass produce and distribute safe, affordable, working models!

7. Most conscientious builders of this QEG have a good chance of getting it going from the plans, but have very little chance of addressing the safety concerns. As it stands, whoever builds one these devices from plans distributed by the ‘Fix The World’ group, is depending on ‘luck’ for their safety and the safety of others in the vicinity.

8. This QEG interacts with quantum energy factors in the local environment and can have effects on people in the immediate vicinity up to about 50m away. Effects can be catastrophic. One WITTS worker has already suffered massive tissue damage from a high voltage, low frequency electrical arc that struck without warning. While this is thankfully rare, in other cases, fires have erupted spontaneously in electrical circuits powered by this device when it has been in an unbalanced state – the actual tuning and balancing of which can take weeks and which the ‘Fix The World’ group does not appear to appreciate. Other effects are less catastrophic, but still concerning. For example, anything containing microcircuits in the immediate vicinity, can be rendered inoperative. It is also possible for people who are exposed to unbalanced QE fields, to become contaminated to the point that wherever they go, they will also cause failure of electrical devices in their immediate vicinity – including the computers in cars that they travel in.

9. Sir Timothy is happy for anyone who wants to build this QEG to do so, but asks that such people consult with him directly so as to obtain full understanding of what they are doing. Note that Sir Timothy charges a fee for classes on QEG construction. He has a large organisation to run and a number of orphanages around the world that depend on his group. He therefore makes no apologies for charging for his time. He does not intend this to be a barrier to anyone who is genuinely concerned for the planet however and I would encourage everyone who is genuinely inclined this way, to bite the bullet and at least pay for an initial consultation so that a relationship might be established. Sir Timothy can not give away free consultations because the abuse of his time then becomes uncontrollable.

. .

 

9. Sir Timothy and and all his people at WITTS are greatly distressed that millions of people are now potentially at risk from high voltage electricity and uncontrolled QE fields because these QEG plans have been distributed at random to people all over the planet – the overwhelming majority of whom have no proper training or experience that might allow them to build and use this kind of device safely.

10. If I can assist anyone who has questions about the matters raised here, I am happy to do so.

Sincerely

Richard

[5:33:19 PM]

brokenwrench: rf energy cooks from the inside out. i knew a man that was a ham and did not take precautions when his set was hot . the door of the cabnet was in contact with his back. be picked up a pencil to draw an arc off one of the high voltage components which was a common practice with this 1000 watt am transmitter. he drew an arc alright it burned all the skin off his back down to his backbone, he had to have 10 skin grafs to repair the damage just to replace the burned area. the forces of qeg are way more dangerous than straight rf wattage

[6:09:39 PM]

targ.collective: We are familiar with JTRIG tactics here glenn r. You will need to provide substantial proof that you are who yoiu say you are before we will take you seriously. Just FYI.
spiralearth2: Where does teh Sir come from? is that a honoury title?
targ.collective: The QEG unit instructions do come with warnings that only the competent should use them. And I have faith in the FTW team's integrity. Leaning towards thinking you're a suppressive voice.

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[6:30:30 PM] Targ Collective: This genie is *not* going back in the bottle now. Sufficiently clever people can build from the blueprints that are now public and saved on hundreds of computers all over the world.
[6:30:35 PM] Targ Collective: Interest is huge.
[6:30:36 PM] glenn r: Targ, i really dunno what JTRIG is, but what kind of proof do u want from me as to who i am?
[6:30:48 PM] Targ Collective: This *will* go masively public.
[6:31:11 PM] Targ Collective: JTRIG: Joint Threat Research Interest Group.
[6:31:24 PM] Targ Collective: Think of them as governemnet paid trolls.
[6:31:35 PM] glenn r: yes, and i am actualy GLAD that such interest is being generated, as it should be, by whatever means, as long as Safety comes first
[6:32:04 PM] Targ Collective: Bsically, we only have your word for it that you are not a governement troll. Not a bgood position to be in.
[6:32:14 PM] glenn r: ok then, i wil add that to my list of alphabetical acronyms
[6:32:45 PM] Targ Collective: There's an article on them on the FTW homepage, quite recent. Do your research!
[6:33:20 PM] glenn r: hehe, this is true, and i am quite aware of the risk of being seen as such\
[6:33:41 PM] Targ Collective: As for the safety concerns - too late to put this genie back - the responsible thing would be to give free safety talks if this concenr is genuine.
[6:34:04 PM] glenn r: i have actually watched the forum here turn negative due to their activities here, sadly! but then i had also expected it
[6:34:24 PM] Alan Savary: To put it simply: It would take almost no time to WITT to release videos to the public regarding the knowledge required to create a safe QEG. If they do not do it, it is just because they want to make profit from it. Plain simple.
[6:35:23 PM] glenn r: yeah, i sort of agree with that too!...
[6:36:29 PM] glenn r: i myself got fed up with what also appeared to be their 'we are superior' attitude

. . .

[6:42:26 PM] glenn r: i'd be happy to see or hear about many people carrying on with the QEG project even now, as long as they at least read the cautionary letter and then again make their personal decision to carry on or not
[6:43:11 PM] glenn r: i myself am an avid AMATEUR private researcher-inventor liek many of u but have very few physical resources
[6:43:14 PM | Edited 6:43:22 PM] bodyart1812: banana peel on the ground may be deadly dangerous as well :)
[6:43:19 PM | Edited 6:45:31 PM] Alan Savary: The cautionary letter contains nothing to help. It just points the reader to go to talk with WITT.

[6:43:44 PM] Targ Collective: As for the quantum field getting distorted around an indvidual - quantum is intent based and can be programmed easily enough; that's how we program crystals after all - if there are cases like that a basic I AM invocation to renormalise the qwuantum field should fix it.
[6:43:57 PM] Targ Collective: I'd be happy to help with that, see if it can be fixed.
[6:44:39 PM] Alan Savary: I would advise WITT to provide a "security guidelines" instead of an empty "warning"
[6:45:08 PM] glenn r: sure, and crossing the road anywhere can be jsut as dangerous, especially in china!

. . .

[6:52:21 PM] Targ Collective: By the way QEGnetwork, counter-agents to the JTRIG do exist and can be contacted. But I am not one who can hook you up (for my own reasons); next time you start up a discussion get some counter-agents seeded in the group. I advise going through Cobra, who may be able to hook you up with counter-counter-intelligence specialists.
[6:53:27 PM] Targ Collective: I work at savant level english comprehension. It is a battle you would lose. Like I said, still don't trust you. Please don't take this as a personal thing; I just don't have reason to yet.
[6:53:58 PM] glenn r: fair enough ..

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[12:16:57 AM] kevin blundell: I would appreciate feedback on this please: Thank you for your email.

 

The QEG plans show a simple, switched reluctance generator powered by an external electric motor. (page 7)

 

This has nothing to do with Tesla!!! This exact design was first proposed by John Ecklin in 1979. I was a member of a group of researchers in Santa Barbara who built and tested many variations of this class of generator through the 1980s. These machines are generally called "switched reluctance generators" or more correctly "variable inductance generators."

 

If you put a capacitor in series with the input, as shown, the unit will "self-excite" if there is a slight amount of magnetism in the rotor or stator material. There are specific speeds where the electrical output power goes up due to the resonance event, but during these episodes, the requirement of mechanical energy input goes up as well. If you just meter the voltage and the amperage, it looks really good, but it's mostly reactive power as the volts and amps are out of phase.

 

If the output removes magnetic energy from the core, then there is less to circulate in the resonant tank (LC circuit) created by the input coils and the capacitor bank. The system has a specific number of joules of energy (real power) circulating in the magnetic core and any real energy removed is produced by the reversal of the field in the output coils by the rotor shifting position. Rotation of the rotor produces the mechanical shifting of the magnetic fields and reinforces the currents oscillating in the input coils. One of the patent filings I produced back then was titled "Mechanical Rotary Transformer" and covered a design similar to this in many ways. The best tests we produced with our prototypes had a COP = 1.2 (120% efficient). The people involved in the Santa Barbara group included myself, Mike Knox, Bruce DePalma, Chris Carson, and later Eric Dollard. In a parallel development, John Bedini duplicated much of the same series of experiments and concluded the same thing! The best the machines could do was about 120%. All of this happened before the internet, and since the experimental results were disappointing, no final report was ever produced.

 

Knowing what I know about this class of machine, I do not believe anyone is going to build one of these in their backyard and power their home with it. We spent over $30k building and $50k testing prototypes of these machines between 1981 and 1987. This is not going to go where you think it is going.

 

I stand by what I said in the newsletter. An "open source" project based on these ideas will not go anywhere. In fact, this was all "open sourced" in the 1980s by John Ecklin. Look here at these links, taken from the archive at Rex Research: [ http://www.rexresearch.com/ecklin/ecklin.htm ]http://www.rexresearch.com/ecklin/ecklin.htm

 

[12:31:05 AM] Johnny SuperGuru: My understanding is that we ALREADY have 5 amps of current at high voltage, and that is without the best possible core? I fail to see how this can be an impediment to going forward, regardless of what is said. What has already been tested in Taiwan far exceeds what the article you just quoted says. Or am I mis-interpreting the results out of Taiwan?

 

One of my skills is as a piano tuner. When I tune a piano properly, the piano puts out a louder and fuller sound for the same amount of physical force applied to the keys. It is all about resonance and harmonics.

[12:36:02 AM | Edited 12:36:18 AM] bodyart1812: @johnny are tuning on 440, or 432 ?

[12:36:18 AM] Johnny SuperGuru: Both

[12:36:42 AM] Johnny SuperGuru: 432 so far mostly just for experimental

[12:36:45 AM] bodyart1812: hmm.. did you percieve any difference?

[12:37:02 AM] Johnny SuperGuru: Not really.

[12:37:07 AM] bodyart1812: I mean solfeggio

[12:37:23 AM] Johnny SuperGuru: I sometimes think it has a more relaxed feeling.

[12:37:47 AM] bodyart1812: not so hard and more harmonious

[12:37:52 AM] bodyart1812: i think

[12:39:26 AM] Johnny SuperGuru: But if you tune in equal temperment, then it is all the same relative to each other, but is not a multiple of your molecular structure resonance as is 432.

[12:39:53 AM] bodyart1812: it's (i think) about fibonacci... we talked about ...

[12:40:16 AM] Johnny SuperGuru: I don't tune there much because it is an awful amount of work to move the whole piano to that pitch.

[12:40:22 AM] kevin blundell: okay thanks...and this from a trusted engineer:

[12:40:26 AM] kevin blundell: It has magnets ,,, not the same mashine

[12:40:28 AM] Johnny SuperGuru: AND leave it stable.

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Came across this interesting analysis of a 'snake-oil' salesman in the green energy field:

 

http://www.theverge.com/2014/4/14/5561250/cool-planet

 

If VC firms like Google Ventures fall for him, what can we say for common folks exposed to QEG claims / backed by a cult?

 

Interesting, 'quantum' seems to be the buzzword to make people fall hook, line and sinker!

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EXCERPT

 

Digging at the data

 

After showing off his awards and patents, Cheiky leads me through the Batcave and back to his rows of cars and tables of lab equipment. He grabs two plants borrowed from Cool Planet: the more robust specimen was grown with a substance known as biochar, he tells me, the other without.

 

"It was total snake oil. He was selling a revolutionary new technology that wasn’t."

 

Cheiky founded Cool Planet on the premise that he could break down plants into liquid fuel, water, and biochar, a sort of charcoal byproduct that can improve soil for agriculture. It’s why Cheiky claims his process doesn’t just make cheap fuel, but is also good for the environment. "Biochar puts carbon back in the ground," he tells me. "It holds more water and it’s also sequestering CO2. That's reverse global warming. That's the magic compound. I consider it the most important work I’ve ever done."

 

As the long oral history of Cheiky’s many accomplishments winds down, I explain that after interviewing former employees, I heard repeatedly that he was forced out of companies once investors discovered that his science didn't add up. He folds his arms across his chest, expression unchanged, barely missing a beat. "When somebody comes in to the company to be the president, they want to take over," he says. "People want to have extreme ownership, so they’ll come in and say whatever was done before was no good."

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SOME DEFINITIONS : Over Unity, etc

[5:04:58 AM]

Paul fromMinnesota: No worries.
Paul fromMinnesota: "First, lets both define and rename "Free Energy":

This is energy that can be extracted from the environment without using any consumable fuel based resources, once the device has been built."
Paul fromMinnesota: That's from the Hawaii solar guy here.

. . .
mmeta200: bodyart do you understand sacred geomety, metaphysics and gematria
mmeta200: Do you understand Tesla amd Moray
Paul fromMinnesota: "Now let's define "Overunity":

The action of getting more energy out of a system than the OPERATOR inputs. So, an overunity system or device is able get more energy out, than what the OPERATOR has input, once the system has been built. In other words, it has a Coefficient of Performance (COP) greater than 1, also expressed as 100%. So, if I build a system where the operator inputs 1 unit of energy and that system outputs 1.1 units, then that would constitute overunity, because the COP would be greater than 100%."
bodyart1812: I think, we're talking about Quantum flux here, aren't we?

Paul fromMinnesota: "Bear with me as I explain why overunity does not defy the known laws of physics. To understand why this is not only possible, but that we are already doing this today, we must learn the difference between "Efficiency" and "COP". Also, be advised that overunity is NOT perpetual motion. That is something entirely different, even though some people will attempt to equate these as the same thing.

Next, let's define "Efficiency": To calculate the efficiency of a system you divide the TOTAL energy input by the energy output. Expressed as en equation like so: output ÷ total input. Most solar panels on the market today are only between 15% and 25% efficient. Let's calculate the efficiency of a typical solar panel. Total energy input, in the form of sunlight, is 100 units of energy. The output is 20 units of energy. The equation can be expressed as: 20 ÷ 100 = .2. To see that answer expressed as a percentage, multiply it by 100, which is 20%. No system can be over 100% efficient by definition. There is no getting around that fact. Additionally, there will always be losses in a system. The most efficient systems you can realistically hope for are 95% to 99.999% efficient."

. . .

bodyart1812: @mm I think i do... a bit?!? perhaps ?!?
bodyart1812: maybe more than that, hhh
Paul fromMinnesota: "Next, let's define Coefficient of Performance (COP):

To calculate the COP of a system you divide the OPERATOR energy input by the energy output, not accounting for the energy that is input from the environment. This can be expressed as an equation like so: total output ÷ operator input. Let's again use the solar panel as an example. It collects energy from the environment. When the sun is shining on it, it will output more energy than is input, BY THE OPERATOR. By definition, this is overunity. Once the solar panel has been built, the OPERATOR inputs 0 units of energy and the panel will output anywhere from 200 to 240 watts of energy. Let's calculate the COP of that same solar panel: 20 ÷ 0 = ∞. So, the COP of that solar panel is infinite. The COP can be greater than 100% because of the energy that is input from the environment that is not accounted for in the COP calculation. To attain a COP greater than 100%, you must build a system that collects energy from the environment. COP is often confused with "efficiency" by even the most educated people. It is very similar to the efficiency calculation, which is why it is sometimes used interchangeably by mistake."

bodyart1812: @paul: agree the definitions will bring us to understanding each other :)
Paul fromMinnesota: "if an inventor built an electric motor that was self running, this would be a clear example of an overunity device, just like the solar panel. The motor would be displaying overunity, because it would not only be self running, but would be producing extra energy in the form of rotational power. This inventor may mistakenly think that their device is over 100% efficient. It is not. It does, however, have a COP greater than 100%. Where does the excess energy come? It comes from the environment, just like the solar panel. The inventor has built an open system that collects additional energy from the environment. This is also known as an asymmetrical system."
Paul fromMinnesota: Can read the rest here:
Paul fromMinnesota: http://www.maui-solar.com/Overunity_Article.html
bodyart1812: thnx Paul

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[12:21:24 PM] *** mark hoza Ⓘ AM added stevekarem ***

 

mark hoza Ⓘ AM: Please welcome Steve Karem.

here is his website introducing some of his shared concepts.
mark hoza Ⓘ AM: http://www.steveslabs.com/
mark hoza Ⓘ AM: He may well offer some real help with future QEG and other designs.
mark hoza Ⓘ AM: Steve, please feel free to introduce yourself as you see fit.

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1. Have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_energy_suppression. - claiming big energy is looking to suppress something is not really very convincing in my book

2. I have had a mere glance at this thread but there is some suggestion that the circuits 'resonant' in line with background noise. Without verifying the claim that might suggest that rather than generate excess energy the system is perhaps undertaking 'energy harvesting'?

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_harvesting

3. There has been reference to springs in the context of resonance in this thread. I think the key question to ask is why does a spring stop oscillating ( or a rubber ball stop bouncing). There is energy leakage - if a system is particularly mechanically efficient one might not recognise how little energy is required to keep it going. My son is involved in an ecomarathon project at school where they are (re)building a car - last yr they achieved about 900 miles per gallon - some competitors have achieved over 2000 miles per gallon (car may be an overstatement - frankly more like glorified three wheeler go carts). It would be very easy for someone unscrupulous to measure the fuel at the beginning and end of a 1 mile test circuit on a track and claim the car uses no fuel etc.

4. If u want to really look at 'free energy' I suggest you read up on zero point energy and Casimir effect - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_point_energy and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect

 

5. The solution I think is nearest credibility for our energy needs is General Fusion (http://www.generalfusion.com)

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Thanks for those comments, Roddy

 

As you may have tweaked, I regard the QEG machine (and its underlying technology) as a "long shot"

 

But I do welcome, and encourage, discussion of Free Energy technologies (and Renewable Energy tech) on GEI.

I do have a sense that some breakthroughs are being made, and if I am quick to dismiss new ides in this sector,

we are going to miss "the big ones"

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MORE POSTS

 

[4/17/2014 12:30:38 PM] lightworker-sxm: Pretty Peruvian Cottages now part of the project at Planeta Libre as QEG comes to the Jungle in PERU. Mission 9 Friday. http://xi4.com/2014/04/17/mission-9/
[4/17/2014 4:16:51 PM | Edited 4:21:14 PM] bodyart1812: Anyone familiar with this?
http://neo.sx/soluciones.html
[4/17/2014 4:17:07 PM] bodyart1812: http://neo.sx/generadores.html
[4/17/2014 7:01:19 PM] graememudie: Thought fior the day: "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themsleves , but wiser people so full of doubts." -Bertrand Russell.
[4/17/2014 7:15:09 PM] michel.foisy: According to he following thread on the OverUnity forum, it really looks like a scam:

http://www.overunity.com/14510/if-you-could-buy-a-tesla-black-box-with-warranty-would-you-introducing-neo-sx/#.U0-yCF7rWBs

 

. . .

[4/17/2014 8:42:30 PM] grant_horsfall: Hope Moore presents the QEG at Rising Earth Symposium
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tevgh2SX93s
(51 minute video)

They org chart they have on their web site is using pictures that they found publicly available on the net of other people.

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Q&A ROOM Posts

 

[4/13/2014 11:54:50 PM] Shean: (*) Update Taiwan team about the QEG
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/226-update-april-13-from-the-qeg-team-in-taiwan
[4/13/2014 11:57:53 PM] Ed Weatherall: youtube of todays video QandA :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nTgfrjnZEY&feature=youtu.be

. . .

[4/14/2014 1:20:03 AM] Jeremy: Hey guys...watching the video...fantastic news.
[4/14/2014 1:21:18 AM] demodexsolutions: QUESTION:
[4/14/2014 1:21:41 AM] demodexsolutions: How do you plan to get the voltage higher?
[4/14/2014 1:22:56 AM] Wim Derix: Ed I sent you my addres in the other room
[4/14/2014 1:23:12 AM] Ed Weatherall: Higher than what?
[4/14/2014 1:23:19 AM] Ed Weatherall: Thanks Wim ...I got it :)
[4/14/2014 1:23:34 AM | Edited 1:24:40 AM] Jeremy: Wanted to say that we have the solution for the insulation. We've already spoken to Matt to help them (Torelco). The primaries are very important as I we have suggested to Matt. We have two vacuum chambers to remove all AIR bubbles from the high voltage epoxy. We have 3d printing machines to quickly create molds to hold the epoxy as well.
[4/14/2014 1:23:51 AM] Wim Derix: [sunday, April 13, 2014 9:10 AM] Wim Derix:

<<< If it is a high voltage machine now.... Why not make several smaller coils, connected in paralel.
This as the output coil.
That will lower the output Voltage and increase the Amps.
[4/14/2014 1:24:39 AM] Ed Weatherall: That is cool Jeremy :)
[4/14/2014 1:25:19 AM] David Porter: Congratulations James & QEG team. You are making HISTORY

. . .

[4/14/2014 1:25:56 AM] Jeremy: we know just as much as you guys how important the core is. Again we saw the same issues with our MetGlass research.
[4/14/2014 1:26:40 AM] Jeremy: The metglass system is the solid state version of the QEG. Reffered as the Flux Switch Transformer.
[4/14/2014 1:28:06 AM] Ed Weatherall: @Walter and Julia .... James covers voltages in todays update linked above. Perhaps that will answer your voltage questions.....
[4/14/2014 2:02:04 AM | Edited 2:07:35 AM] Graeme Mudie: Why are they surprised that it is a high voltage low current device. I have always been under the impression that was a well-known fact!!! I’m sure WITTS says this or I have seen it somewhere. But they must have known this from their prototype or am I missing something?
Surely that is why they are using 2000v caps. \o/
[4/14/2014 2:02:19 AM] Tivon Rivers: watching the vid now, brilliant!
[4/14/2014 2:02:29 AM] Tivon Rivers: Tesla coil in reverse
[4/14/2014 2:02:55 AM] Tivon Rivers: MWT comes to mind.

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[4/14/2014 2:08:48 AM] david53185: @Jeremy. I have the question,, If you encase core in epoxy and vacuum it all the plates are going to be solidified in a single mass. From what I gather so far in specs given, there is also mechanical laminate vibration that is contributing factor in core voltage production. Would solidification of core impede such vibration and become problematic factor. David
[4/14/2014 2:11:09 AM] Jeremy: It will actually prevent the insulation from rubbing when in mechanical vibration. So this will drastically improve. Remember we want the core to resonante mechanically...not the windings mechancially.
[4/14/2014 2:15:01 AM] david53185: Excellent I get it. The electrical steel of the laminate stays the same. You vacuum all together after winding is complete before epoxy solidifies.. Brilliant…. I want my core now.. LOL..
[4/14/2014 2:18:09 AM] Asgardian: The epoxy could affect the resonance of the metal, after all , it will also act as a glue.
[4/14/2014 2:18:43 AM] Asgardian: A glue and an insulator
[4/14/2014 2:20:58 AM] Jeremy: Electrical steel vibrates at a different value than glue! :)
[4/14/2014 2:21:51 AM] Jeremy: if you are concerned about dampening..you will get higher Q values on the primary ...so this should more than make up for the loss...if any
[4/14/2014 2:22:08 AM | Edited 2:22:18 AM] Jeremy: The CORE is the key!
[4/14/2014 2:22:13 AM] david53185: Also there is insulation separating laminate it is perfet..Like selenoid.
[4/14/2014 2:23:31 AM] Jeremy: from my understanding....please correct me if I'm wrong on this...but insulation between laminates is not an issue...
[4/14/2014 2:23:45 AM] Jeremy: Think mechanical!
[4/14/2014 2:24:00 AM] Jeremy: core mechanical...windings electrical
[4/14/2014 2:24:07 AM] Jeremy: hope this clears things up.
[4/14/2014 2:24:55 AM] Jeremy: but being that the windings are generating a serious tank circuit with high voltage...insulation from the windings to the core HAVE to be met or all is lost.
[4/14/2014 2:25:44 AM] Jeremy: once the windings break insulation...its all down hill. So vacuum sealing the epoxy with through a mold process will be highly beneficial here.
[4/14/2014 2:26:36 AM] Jeremy: You can't just dip, or you will have issues with dripping...a mold will hold the epoxy in place while in the vacuum chamber.
[4/14/2014 2:30:00 AM] david53185: Yes absolutely I agree. To clarify I meant insulation in between core and winding this is also separator in between mechanical and electrical vibrations..
[4/14/2014 2:31:16 AM] Jeremy: Yes...insulation here is necessary.
[4/14/2014 2:32:53 AM] Jeremy: We have the capability to do this.
http://www.epicresins.com/ElectronicsPotting
[4/14/2014 2:33:08 AM] Jeremy: our device is roughly the same size.

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COSTS Discussed (again)

 

[4/14/2014 11:20:17 PM] kevin blundell: looking for imperial
[4/14/2014 11:20:29 PM] kevin blundell: apparently both were posted some time ago...
[4/14/2014 11:21:18 PM] Wim Derix: must still be on be-do
[4/14/2014 11:22:51 PM] kevin blundell: okay...never been there...link?
[4/14/2014 11:22:57 PM] kevin blundell: and thanks
[4/14/2014 11:23:12 PM] Wim Derix: http://be-do.com/index.php/en/
[4/14/2014 11:23:23 PM] kevin blundell: thank you
[4/14/2014 11:23:26 PM] Wim Derix: look in forum
[4/14/2014 11:31:15 PM] *** Wim Derix sent alt_stator_imperial.dxf ***
[4/14/2014 11:31:21 PM] *** Wim Derix sent endplate-imperial.dxf ***
[4/14/2014 11:31:26 PM] *** Wim Derix sent mica_plate_imperial.dxf ***
[4/14/2014 11:31:29 PM] *** Wim Derix sent rotor_imperial.dxf ***
[4/14/2014 11:31:40 PM] *** Wim Derix sent stator_imperial.dxf ***
[4/14/2014 11:32:17 PM] Wim Derix: there you go Kevin
[4/14/2014 11:32:37 PM] Wim Derix: found them on my HD
[4/14/2014 11:35:58 PM] Tivon Rivers: OK I have made another contact with a manufacturer in china. For a core about 15cm tall, expect quote to be around 1100 USD, including tooling costs.
[4/14/2014 11:36:40 PM] Tivon Rivers: which is 659 GBP
[4/14/2014 11:36:47 PM] Wim Derix: that seems expensive
[4/14/2014 11:39:44 PM] Tivon Rivers: I am checking to see if that's do to the initial tooling cost
[4/14/2014 11:39:46 PM] Tivon Rivers: one min.
[4/14/2014 11:41:30 PM] Tivon Rivers: [Monday, April 14, 2014 7:28 AM] michael.lou888:

<<< stator: USD 8
rotor: USD 3
After we have tooling
totaly one motor: 4 stator+1 rotor= USD 35
[4/14/2014 11:50:25 PM] Tivon Rivers: the biggest expense is the initial tooling.
[4/14/2014 11:51:15 PM] Tivon Rivers: After this ,as they then have the mold, it's much cheaper.
[4/14/2014 11:51:58 PM] Tivon Rivers: This quote was based from a 15cm tall straight bobbin design but it has more steel than the QEG of the same scaled-down size, so I expect a close match.

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DIVERTING Effort, or not ?

 

[4/15/2014 12:17:23 AM] kevin blundell: thanks Wim
[4/15/2014 12:17:37 AM] kevin blundell: okay, here is something that I need feedback on pleaes:
[4/15/2014 12:17:42 AM] kevin blundell: Thank you for your email. The QEG plans show a simple, switched reluctance generator powered by an external electric motor. (page 7) This has nothing to do with Tesla!!! This exact design was first proposed by John Ecklin in 1979. I was a member of a group of researchers in Santa Barbara who built and tested many variations of this class of generator through the 1980s. These machines are generally called "switched reluctance generators" or more correctly "variable inductance generators."

If you put a capacitor in series with the input, as shown, the unit will "self-excite" if there is a slight amount of magnetism in the rotor or stator material. There are specific speeds where the electrical output power goes up due to the resonance event, but during these episodes, the requirement of mechanical energy input goes up as well. If you just meter the voltage and the amperage, it looks really good, but it's mostly reactive power as the volts and amps are out of phase.

If the output removes magnetic energy from the core, then there is less to circulate in the resonant tank (LC circuit) created by the input coils and the capacitor bank. The system has a specific number of joules of energy (real power) circulating in the magnetic core and any real energy removed is produced by the reversal of the field in the output coils by the rotor shifting position. Rotation of the rotor produces the mechanical shifting of the magnetic fields and reinforces the currents oscillating in the input coils. One of the patent filings I produced back then was titled "Mechanical Rotary Transformer" and covered a design similar to this in many ways. The best tests we produced with our prototypes had a COP = 1.2 (120% efficient). The people involved in the Santa Barbara group included myself, Mike Knox, Bruce DePalma, Chris Carson, and later Eric Dollard. In a parallel development, John Bedini duplicated much of the same series of experiments and concluded the same thing! The best the machines could do was about 120%. All of this happened before the internet, and since the experimental results were disappointing, no final report was ever produced.

Knowing what I know about this class of machine, I do not believe anyone is going to build one of these in their backyard and power their home with it. We spent over $30k building and $50k testing prototypes of these machines between 1981 and 1987. This is not going to go where you think it is going.

I stand by what I said in the newsletter. An "open source" project based on these ideas will not go anywhere. In fact, this was all "open sourced" in the 1980s by John Ecklin. Look here at these links, taken from the archive at Rex Research: [ http://www.rexresearch.com/ecklin/ecklin.htm ]http://www.rexresearch.com/ecklin/ecklin.htm
[4/15/2014 12:23:35 AM] kevin blundell: thoughts?
[4/15/2014 12:44:25 AM] Steve Sager: Hmm seems kinda weird to me cause if you measure voltage and amps on the output then you have power. I can put a meter on a regular plug with voltage and amps output does that mean that I don't have anything there?
[4/15/2014 1:01:02 AM] kevin blundell: yes, David and other have said to disregard...I was just wondering
[4/15/2014 1:44:25 AM | Edited 1:44:47 AM] DanielW: Another attempt to dissuade and mislead from what I can see Kev. The QEG is producing, with a miswound coil, 4.5 amps and producing 2000 volts output to the capacitors, so if the motor is a simple 1000 watt dc type then, as is, it is capable of producing 4.5X2000=9KW of power, less the 1000 needed to keep the motor running.
[4/15/2014 1:46:23 AM | Edited 1:46:37 AM] DanielW: I'm sure the engineers wouldn't be quite so excited with only a 20% overunity. More and more the attempts to divert get sillier and siller and weaker and weaker (facepalm)

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[4/15/2014 2:07:19 AM] Tom Velnosky: DAnielW I believe James sadi he stopped turning up the RPM as the voltage got above 500 volts as he feared arching etc. He said he measured the 4.5A on the previous tests at 230VAC not 2000V... Do I not rememebr this right? As of yet I do not see them having reached that 2000V level on the test unit .
[4/15/2014 2:09:30 AM] DanielW: Yep, but the potential is there, and only inhibited by the closeness of the coil to the rotor, but the measurements are being taken.
[4/15/2014 2:10:33 AM] DanielW: And it was already producing 4.5 amps, the voltage was recorded earlier on the original device
[4/15/2014 2:10:34 AM] Tom Velnosky: I am excited about what will be learned... if this version has the capacity to support that power level without major design adjustments... wire size or tolerances etc.
[4/15/2014 2:11:22 AM] DanielW: It's all a go Tom
[4/15/2014 2:14:16 AM] Tom Velnosky: Looking forward to it! Before I order a coil I need to be sure there are no more imporvements needed of course. BTW I have contacted a Chinese source for the FR4G10 End Plates and can get them machined and delivered for close to $250 a set... ( waiting for verification)
[4/15/2014 2:23:51 AM] DanielW: (y)
[4/15/2014 2:47:12 AM] auradoc (selbstheil-therapeut): On 08.04.14, at 17:58, Wilfried Renkel wrote:
> I designed 3D CAD files in Step and Freecad:
> http://www.minotech.de/app/download/6525457880/QEG-CAD-Dateien.zip?t=1396617265
[4/15/2014 3:08:35 AM] Robert Towers: Some of us do not feel the Peter Lindemann device is the way the present QEG system works.
[4/15/2014 3:18:06 AM] Robert Towers: For various reason, resonate freq's, materals for the core, etc.

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About Q&A Questions

 

[4/15/2014 9:20:39 AM] R F: @Robert Towers: Hi Robert, I missed out on posting my technical questions for James R in the 4/11/14 session. When will he be having the next Q&A session and what is the best way to post my questions for the next session? Thanks
[4/15/2014 9:23:23 AM] Robert Towers: R F the QEG Team are on their way to Morraco at this time. Since they are not sure what kind of internet connections they will have they have not scheduled any more Q&A sessions at this time. I believe that when they get that QEG up and running at resonance they will then be able to answer more questions for us.
[4/15/2014 9:24:39 AM] Robert Towers: Meanwhile some of us here might be able to help with your questions.
[4/15/2014 9:26:01 AM] Robert Towers: R F are you building a QEG?
[4/15/2014 9:34:42 AM] R F: Robert T: Yes I would like to build a QEG, I have electronics knowledge and experience and would like to understand some of the operating principals to better understand how it works and to be able to build a smaller scale QEG. Is this the only place designated to post technical questions for James R and staff?
[4/15/2014 9:50:56 AM] Robert Towers: R F Well quite a few of us technical folks will do our best to answer any questions that you have at this time.
[4/15/2014 9:51:11 AM] Robert Towers: R F where are you located?
[4/15/2014 11:22:46 AM] R F: Rober T: I'm in the US currently away from home and don't have my list of questions with me. But I'm trying to better understand how the ~400Hz frequency output is generated, I understand that the primary and secondary operate at ~400Hz. I've read the QEG user manual and other technical information available on the QEG forum and watched all of the QEG videos, here are a few questions that come to mind right now:
1. Is the primary LC circuit (L=30-40H and C=0.125uF) tuned to ~400Hz by the 12 film capacitors (each 1.5uF 2kV)?
2. I'm trying to understand how the rotor RPM combined with the 4 pole QEG toroid contributes to achieve ~400Hz resonance. An RPM of 1450 equals 24.16 RPS (revolutions per second) x4 since there are 4 toroid poles per revolution equals 96.66 pulses per second. How does a pulse frequency of less than 100Hz help bring the QEG into the power band resonance at ~400Hz? I'm trying to understand what role the RPM plays, if the QEG is operating on a harmonic could you please provide more specifics about this or let me know if I'm getting something wrong here.
3. What determines that ~400Hz is the optimum resonance frequency? a. Primary LC electrical resonance frequency, b. Mechanical resonance frequency, or c. Something else.
4. The QEG user manual schematic notes 12 capacitors each 1.5uF 2kV for total capacitance of 0.125uF but the parts list and the description section down further in the same manual lists 12 capacitors each 2.5uF for a total capacitance of 0.208uF. What is the correct capacitance value for each of the 12 film capacitors?
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[4/15/2014 5:32:16 PM | Edited 5:43:18 PM] Graeme Mudie: Hi Robert T re-No. 2: Good point! The Laminate plates are meant to vibrate which is the main part of the generation according to the QEG team . Take a look at the videos I posted yesterday. I think it is the second one which shows him banging the table and the signal appears to produce 4 or more pulses on the scope for every one hit of the table. This may be part of the answer!!!!
[4/15/2014 5:32:21 PM] Graeme Mudie: [Monday, April 14, 2014 10:38 AM] Graeme Mudie:

<<< Here’s some interesting testing done by TPUBruce on the mechanical vibration of a laminated core.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=0yCpcc4ekTw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ln8Ckt4gxRI&list=UUxVE7vWzgwsM2eoDFSWghnw

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PIEZO Effect

 

[4/16/2014 1:57:17 AM] raymond.gordon: Piano Tuning guy. This is where you jump in and advise everyone building to use a torque wrench when tightening the bolts on the core and its spacers. It has to be relevant. LOL
I may have a way of elliminating the Tig wellds on the Stator. The rotor may still be best welded.
I have one Audiophile in Alberta and one Audiophile from Japan has just visited and both are co-inventors with me in other projects and will assst if asked at any time.
Hiroaki can listen to a CD on good equipment and can typically identify the manufacter of a cymbol by ear. I just found this out, amazing.
The core is a tuning fork after alll.
[4/16/2014 2:30:33 AM] johnny.hardin1: So, just hang it by a thin string, tap it with a mallet, record the sound, or scope the frequency and you will know the resonant frequency of the core. You can also compare what you hear with a 20 dollar musical instrument tuner and you will have an idea of where the resonant frequency is.
[4/16/2014 2:31:19 AM] johnny.hardin1: I have a Korg tuner that can do the job easily.
[4/16/2014 2:31:40 AM] johnny.hardin1: Let me give you a link to one, just a sec.
[4/16/2014 2:33:43 AM] johnny.hardin1: This one will do the job well. I say this because it appears that the resonant frequencies are easily within the range of hman hearing and also within range of this device" http://www.rakuten.com/prod/korg-advanced-solo-chromatic-tuner-with-large-high-precision-lcd-ca40/213913838.html?listingId=267666098&scid=pla_google_MusicalInstrumentHaven&adid=18176&gclid=CL_Oi9uN470CFbFaMgodZw4Acg
[4/16/2014 3:35:08 AM] oldtimer-: Graeme very interesting videos indeed. Piezo effect very apparent here.
[4/16/2014 3:44:17 AM | Edited 3:45:53 AM] johnny.hardin1: Robert, I don't see Piezo effect as much as "Additive" coincidental peaks coincident reinforcement of frequencies. In other words, let's say you have a 200 hz sine along a 100hz sine. every other time the 200 hz sine is at It's peak, you would the 100 hz sine doubling the 200 hz sine.
[4/16/2014 3:51:02 AM] oldtimer-: Johnny u may be right in any case it was a very interesting experiment/observation
[4/16/2014 3:51:06 AM] johnny.hardin1: If you were to invert or damp the negative phase of the 100 Hz sine, you would wind up with an amplified wave 300% of the original perhaps? This could be done by selecting mutiples of the original frequency? In Piano tuning, (which is my area of expertise) (But it is Wave theory anyway, hust acoustial and not elecrical) as you adjust your strings for the overtone series, you take into account the overtones of the lower notes.
[4/16/2014 3:51:49 AM] oldtimer-: Ok
[4/16/2014 3:51:58 AM] johnny.hardin1: In this case, the lower "Strings" would be the mass of the core incuding the silicon steel laminations plus the Copper windings.
[4/16/2014 3:53:02 AM | Edited 3:53:12 AM] johnny.hardin1: (Which leads me to think that down the road, research could be done on different materials for the winding other than copper. Perhaps stainless steel or other material wire?)
[4/16/2014 3:53:58 AM] oldtimer-: One thing is for sure the QEG and how it operates in sum total is quite an intersting one to get you mind around. Many variables there.
[4/16/2014 3:54:53 AM | Edited 3:55:32 AM] johnny.hardin1: Therefore: Perhaps the frequency of electric pules running through the winding would be tuned to an overtone of the total core mass's resonating frequency.
[4/16/2014 3:55:47 AM] johnny.hardin1: Just postulating here.

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Q&A ROOM = "The only place for Technical Questions?"

 

[4/16/2014 3:58:51 AM] oldtimer-: We have looked at them. They are excellent questions R F but we have not agreed on thier answer yet.
[4/16/2014 4:00:33 AM] oldtimer-: Lots of theorys but that where the answers seem to reside right now is in theory and speculation. This QEG is quite a interesting device with many interacting variables, some maybe non-liner, going on here.
[4/16/2014 4:03:31 AM] live:rfacts: Ok thanks, I'll keep checking back here for your response. This is the only place to post technical questions to you and get response, is that correct?
[4/16/2014 4:06:38 AM] oldtimer-: Well that is what this room was set up for. However we must all be patient with the fact that Jamie is exetremely busy and so questions for him to answer directly will have to wait until he has the time to do so. That does not prevent all of us to bounce ideas around on these kind of questions here. I am sure Jamie would encourage that. As he siad we are co-crators in this project.
[4/16/2014 4:07:24 AM] oldtimer-: co-creators
[4/16/2014 4:08:25 AM] oldtimer-: Ok I have to go tend to my home made bread I am baking. YUM YUM! (wave)
[4/16/2014 4:14:54 AM] live:rfacts: Robert T: I understand JR must be busy, just didn't know if I over looked something on the QEG forum or if this Skype session is the only place that technical questions can be posted to you guys. Thanks

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Getting the Plates Right, and Cheaper

 

[4/17/2014 4:33:54 AM] velnoskt: MY QUESTION: Can we get an accurate drawing of ALL of the machined holes in the Phenolic END PLATES and SHROUDS,... i.e. Bearing mounting holes, Through holes for the coil wires and the holes to attach to the base plate, etc. Tolerances for these locations and diameters will be needed as well. I have an outfit that wants to provide them already machined in SETS and the prices look very reasonable so far.
[4/17/2014 4:40:48 AM] mick.lever5: I could use a cad drawing of the end plates as well. I will be making the end plates for the first Canadian build. Once we have completed the assembly I will be in a position to make such a drawing.
[4/17/2014 4:42:06 AM] raymond.gordon: Graeme Mudie....got the n-Track Tuner, call even generate a sound e.g. 432Hz and can feel the energy eminating from it as heat and healing. Super Cool. We may be able to set it to pitch a tone and then compare in real time to a running QEG which would help get into the tuning band quickly....Thanks
[4/17/2014 4:47:50 AM] johnnblade: http://youtu.be/Tevgh2SX93s
[4/17/2014 4:50:34 AM] raymond.gordon: Mick Lever....we will CNC machine in Calgary as well and share where we can. Watch for holes for bearings and the exact stator plates to be double checked at the last minute based on the exact holes in the bearing mounts from the specific manufacter that you choose. They are supposed to be standard for the most part but then again the 3 hole is fairly obsolete and 4 holes was our next logical choice. We will start with the single row sealed ball bearing as per the Bill of Materials Jamie prepared and adjust for 4 mount holes only. Then we have a sample of a double row ball rearing arrangement which is designed for thrust loads longitudonally as if two Timken cone and cup bearings back to back.This will take out the wear factor that vibration is exhibiting in the orginal prototype. The trick to this is that these high tech bearing solutions are not self aligning and so extra machining is required and the whole assemply should be line bored from end mount to end mount. We will work on this and report in quite a bit later.
[4/17/2014 4:53:26 AM] mick.lever5: Thanks Ray !
[4/17/2014 4:56:36 AM] velnoskt: Ray, Please include me in your results. I agree with your approach. Both plates should be drilled and bored as a single effort so all wholes are aligned and the doubke row bearings a must. Have you any ideas for the base plate? Of course wood is not acceptable. I was wondering what a phenolic plate maybe 3/4" thick might perform. I realize this stuff is costly but qusality and longevity are at the top of my list. Tom from Texas
[4/17/2014 5:09:42 AM] raymond.gordon: As I think you appreciate this is a lot like putting a crankshart in a car engine for precision alignment.
Jamie has perfomed a little bit of magic by getting one built that did not crash by match drilling the holes from one part to the other. On the otherhand a machinist or millwright would just shudder to think of the conseqences of a high speed crash and not do all parts production functions strickly by the numbers.

The base.... Jamie has allowed that the base need not be any exotic material and wood was just handy at the time. I will use metal tubing (2x2 by .125 wall mild steel) welded and not only a base but a full frame most likley. This allows for safety guards and a lift ring to be installed on top. Final weight likely to approach 200 lbs here. Plus this will allow for a control panel mount and connection hardware to deliver the power to a Single Phase Twist lock socket and then plug and cord.

Someone here will dop catalogue numbers into this chat for parts as they are sourced as we are spending days and days connecting with suppliers and dealing with alternatives.

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More Design Ideas

 

[4/17/2014 5:21:05 AM] velnoskt: Ray, Thanks... Is not the magnetic field generated by the nearby coils going to be attenuated or influenced some by the metal tubing or .. not? Still I like the idea of a rigid package and lift ring, outlet etc. Clean
[4/17/2014 5:53:12 AM] raymond.gordon: Jamie vetted the enclosure as long as the stand off distance has enough of an insulating air gap to avoid the same spark jump they had from the coil to the rotor. This was only 1/4 inch and so a half inch plus is a big step in the right direction for this. We will be inches away with the frame and safety covers. On top of this they are puting a spark arrestor accros the capacitors to catch extra high current buildup and disipate it so there is likely never to be an incident. After than precision closed loop feed back speed control will limit over production of current not finding its way to ground in circuit. That stabilizes everything.

This is all standard development stuff that the publlic never gets to see on toaster design and on up. There is some crazy stuff inside a tube TV and no one thinks anything of it. On the other hand when we put hands on experimental equipment in ouir world we put on a long set of silicone gloves rated at 10,000volts and then cover those with custom fitted leather gloves to reduce were. They are typically a 200 dollar item so want them to last. Still don't stand in puddles of water, just superstitious I guess. :D)
[4/17/2014 11:31:47 AM | Edited 11:32:01 AM] john-carl.anderson: Was pondering the QEG initial design and was wondering if anyone calculated the dwell time and frequency of the passing rotor end by the core pickup? It seems to me that the pulse width created by the dwell time will have a MAJOR effect on the resonance point of the system. AS the system speed increases the pulse width (I knowit's not really a pulse, but I don't what else to call it) will traverse the range of too long to too short (possibly)... Now this is only for efficiency and tuning purposes. Also, I was thinking that a small radius on the leading edge of the rotor as well as a slight angle on the trailing edge, falling away from the core (increasing the space slightly) should help reduce the violence of the system a bit.
I base this on my knowing that both mag flux and expanding/collapsing waveforms don't like hard edges. They produce waveform artifacts that could act against the smooth operation ofthe system. Introduced distortion and odd spikes aren't going to be our friends..
[4/17/2014 12:35:51 PM] oldtimer-: Interesting idea John-Carl. Who knows what the next few improvements will bring to the QEG. :)

 

 

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JUMPING IN - before an OverUnity Success has been achieved ?

 

Breaking QEG/Peru News (4-17-14)… “Peru gets the QEG ..."

 

Posted on 2014/04/18 by kauilapele (based on a FB post from "Dave", it seems)

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/expandinguradio/2014/04/19/mission-impossible

 

1) Funding for the QEG has now been confirmed,

 

This means that we shall be building the QEG in Peru with our team of experts and Hope Girl team in June 2014.

Mass Production of the QEG is now possible in South Americas.

Wait for announcements of Fix the World team Coming to Peru in June.

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So remember that Quantum Energy Generator plans that were released? Uh, it's working. (self.conspiracy)

 

REDDIT: submitted 8 days ago * by d8_thc

 

What is the QEG?

http://www.fixtheworldproject.net/what-is-the-qeg-.html

The QEG is a crisp, clean, and modern device based on Tesla’s public domain design and built with incredible engineering precision (for example it has over 300 precision cut steel plates each at 18 ½ 1,000ths of an inch thick). The QEG is portable, the size of an average home generator, can easily hook up to your existing electrical system, and weighs approximately 120 pounds. The QEG can power your entire home, several of them can power anything from a skyscraper to a cruise ship, and you will never have to pay an electric bill ever again.

The building of the QEG Prototype was Crowdfunded by 600+ people. The plans, instructions for building and user manual will be open sourced to the public in March of 2014. QEG manufacturing and distribution will commence via independent local Cottage Industry Community Units in 20+ countries.

Here are the plans

And here are people that have gotten it working:

QEG Taiwan has resonance

QEG Morocco has resonance

Germany has resonance

 

Note: This is not over-unity yet, but the theoretical possibility is completely there, and has been done by the creators.

People who claim this is impossible because it violates the laws of physics are completely missing the fact that there is more energy in the vacuum of space than can be harnessed by the entire planet.

Zero point, quantum field, holofractographic vacuum, source, whatever you want to call it- is real.

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[–]Aegist 65 points

8 days ago *

Another energy source which requires energy to be put into the system and can't run without it and which doesn't actually produce more energy than it receives. .. But has great potential to!

When it works post it in/r/science and then we have something to celebrate.

Until then it isn't even a conspiracy. It is just a con.

 

[–]Jonny5ive 5 points

7 days ago

[sERIOUS] OK guys, I don't know much about quantum mechanics but I know a lot about macro-level and interfacial thermodynamics bc I'm an engineer. And it seems to me that, to get energy OUT of zero-point energy, you'd need some other energy sink that was LESS than the zero-point source. Heat would flow from the zero-point source to the less-than-zero-point sink, and it would flow THROUGH your engine, which would turn a shaft to run the compressor to cool your beer in the refrigerator.

Again, I'm not a physicist. All I know is that for a useful engine to work, the source has to be hotter than the exhaust.

And if zero-point really is zero-point, already being in the minimum engineering state, then how can you have an exhaust less than that?

 

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