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Oh dear. :(

Jim Stone has an update.

He believes the children have been kidnapped - that's why the parents have not been allowed to identify the 'bodies'

http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/

FINAL CONCLUSION:

Since the children really are missing, and few (if any) died in what is obviously a wag the dog, It is extremely likely that the children were stolen and sold on the slave market. They had to go somewhere, and the people who most likely perpetrated this wag run the biggest slave trade center in the world. It just fits. If you are not aware of the sex slave trade and that little tribe, you should get informed on that topic.

 

This is my best guess at why a separate "Sheriff" was sent to guard every single parent of every child afterwards. The Sheriffs are not likely to be real sheriffs, they are more likely paid goon actors, and with such child slaves selling for well over $200,000 a pop, it's worth it to pay people to pose as sheriffs to give the first alert about any suspicions from parents. IT JUST FITS. IF THE SHOOTER IS DEAD, WHY ARE THE "SHERIFFS" NEEDED to guard every set of parents? How could they spare THAT MANY SHERIFFS, 20 sets of parents x 8 hour shift = 60 sheriffs needed. SHERIFFS, AN ELECTED POSITION, AS IN, ONLY A FEW EXIST, NOT DEPUTIES.

 

HA, THAT WOULD EXPLAIN WHY NONE OF THE PARENTS HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO SEE ANY BODIES. UP AND COMING - CLOSED (AND LOCKED) CASKET "FUNERALS" and UN IDENTIFIABLE CANS OF ASHES. The disgusting "every single one was a head shot" B.S. would make that a rational possibility - head shot = closed casket or creamation, X 20. No body ever actually seen.

 

It's a safe bet that any overly anxious parents will "commit suicide" or be vanished in silence.

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Is that true?

 

None of the parents have been allowed to see their children?

 

If so, this could be another Paedophile story, as Columbine now seems to have been

 

Bvtt - Fecking for Columbine

Apparently, that shooting was triggered by a paedophilic crime.

 

This interview of Ron Aigner by Vinne Eastwood, was very revealing :

 

12/14/2012-MP3 : http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/archive/Vinny-Eastwood-32k-121412.mp3

 

An advocate for Mark Taylor, victim and whistle blower who should be freed immediately!

The truth about Columbine is the 2 shooters were sexually abused by the very Sheriff who wound up in charge of the investigation, it all ties into an underground satanic cult run by billionaires.

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Federal Jack is ripping holes in another shooter story.

I really wouldn't spend time reading the endless media coverage of these shootings as they are all drivel.

 

http://www.federaljack.com/?p=178573

MEDIA STORY ABOUT CLACKAMAS TOWN CENTER SHOOTER RIDDLED WITH HOLES

........... this incident is just one of a series of similar incidents. Allow me to remind people that my Illuminati sources said back in 1991 that schools, malls, and public buildings would be shot up in the coming years; and my 1991 Be Wise As Serpents book warned about this agenda. One of the purposes is to traumatize us. Another was to disarm us. If a group were to plot a mass killing (a psyop operation) to make Americans hate guns, Clackamas Town Center full of Christmas shoppers would be the ideal place for a psyop operation.....

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http://www.federaljack.com/?p=178573

MEDIA STORY ABOUT CLACKAMAS TOWN CENTER SHOOTER RIDDLED WITH HOLES

........... this incident is just one of a series of similar incidents. Allow me to remind people that my Illuminati sources said back in 1991 that schools, malls, and public buildings would be shot up in the coming years; and my 1991 Be Wise As Serpents book warned about this agenda. One of the purposes is to traumatize us. Another was to disarm us. If a group were to plot a mass killing (a psyop operation) to make Americans hate guns, Clackamas Town Center full of Christmas shoppers would be the ideal place for a psyop operation.....

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Yes - this video helps to exposure the fakery which is going on around us - that breathing is an actor's trick,

to change one's mood for "a public statement"

 

People are waking up, they would not be watching this, if the story now was only about Gun control, rather than manipulation

 

 

Very strange the way he is acting.

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Jim Stone has concluded that the children were kidnapped rather than killed.

http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/

Since the children really are missing, and few (if any) died in what is obviously a wag the dog, It is extremely likely that the children were stolen and sold on the slave market. They had to go somewhere, and the people who most likely perpetrated this wag run the biggest slave trade center in the world. It just fits. If you are not aware of the sex slave trade and that little tribe, you should get informed on that topic.

This is my best guess at why a separate "Sheriff" was sent to guard every single parent of every child afterwards. The Sheriffs are not likely to be real sheriffs, they are more likely paid goon actors, and with such child slaves selling for well over $200,000 a pop, it's worth it to pay people to pose as sheriffs to give the first alert about any suspicions from parents. IT JUST FITS. IF THE SHOOTER IS DEAD, WHY ARE THE "SHERIFFS" NEEDED to guard every set of parents? How could they spare THAT MANY SHERIFFS, 20 sets of parents x 8 hour shift = 60 sheriffs needed. SHERIFFS, AN ELECTED POSITION, AS IN, ONLY A FEW EXIST, NOT DEPUTIES.

 

HA, THAT WOULD EXPLAIN WHY NONE OF THE PARENTS HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO SEE ANY BODIES. UP AND COMING - CLOSED (AND LOCKED) CASKET "FUNERALS" and UN IDENTIFIABLE CANS OF ASHES. The disgusting "every single one was a head shot" B.S. would make that a rational possibility - head shot = closed casket or creamation, X 20. No body ever actually seen.

It's a safe bet that any overly anxious parents will "commit suicide" or be vanished in silence.

 

I've heard that they may be the intended victims in tonight's Satanic ceremony, as described here:

http://newsdoors.blo...s-meet-for.html

Stew Webb is reporting that just like this past Summer, the top 12 Illuminati Banksters will be meeting for their disgusting child sacrifice right in downtown Denver Colorado in the basement levels of the “The Navarre” museum which used to be an old whorehouse and casino but now sits basically abandoned and not open to the public.

 

The Satanists will be meeting on the evening of the 21st with the sacrifice happening in the early morning hours of the 22nd.

 

I'm trying to draw people's attention to this. Other than the usual shills who care not who/what they work for, many people do not believe such atrocities could even be possible. Truly the smartest achievement that Satan has accomplished is to convince people that he does not exist.

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Very strange the way he is acting.

 

Not that strange al all.

 

As I posted here,

 

http://www.greenener...120#entry264902

 

The mix of emotions when you lose close family members is extreme and sometimes confusing. I've experienced it myself, but have also been told by a lay preacher that it's quite common.

 

I really hope that no one here ever has to find out how just it feels to lose a child. Especially those trying to make out it's all some lie or elaborate plot FFS.

 

I'm all for finding truth etc but TBH I'm finding some posts here are really pretty sick, including the utter garbage about children being kidnapped etc, just as the families are burying their children FFS.

 

This sort of sick nonsense should NOT be the main board, indeed, it belongs in the gutter.

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Is this on your Christmas List ?

 

An online retailer is currently offering a modest post-launch discount for the console versions of the recently-released multiplatform title, “Call of Duty: Black Ops 2.” Amazon has slashed 17 % off of the official manufacturer’s suggested retail price tag for the video game on the Nintendo Wii U, Playstation 3 and Xbox 360. As a result, you can pick up the video for just $49.99 with free shipping eligibility.

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'Call of Duty' video game highlights real threat

Very odd.

They should be raising the price, not cutting it.

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Not that strange al all.

 

As I posted here,

 

http://www.greenener...120#entry264902

 

The mix of emotions when you lose close family members is extreme and sometimes confusing. I've experienced it myself, but have also been told by a lay preacher that it's quite common.

 

I really hope that no one here ever has to find out how just it feels to lose a child. Especially those trying to make out it's all some lie or elaborate plot FFS.

 

I'm all for finding truth etc but TBH I'm finding some posts here are really pretty sick, including the utter garbage about children being kidnapped etc, just as the families are burying their children FFS.

 

This sort of sick nonsense should NOT be the main board, indeed, it belongs in the gutter.

 

i agree.

i find lots of stupid things posted on this board but to to take a mans complex and overwhelming emotions after his child was killed and attempt to turn it into some sort of ridiculous conspiracy is a disgrace.

you cannot predict how someone will behave under such extreme stress - i wouldn't wish it on my worse enemy (not that i have one).

people need to step out of the playground and get a little fucking empathy!

and yes, i am angry.

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So am I.

How can you fall for the deception in this event?

I am tired of being lied to, and manipulated by those with an agenda,

whose attitude is: "Never waste a good crisis."

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I'm with aardvark 100% on this Some of us come here to find help navigating through times of economic chaos. I've learnt, reluctantly, to put up with puerile rubbish about time-travel and aliens, and I've stayed put at Bubb's personal request; but the beneath-contempt conspiracy theories about some of these shootings for example have just about pushed me beyond the limit.

 

I know little about economics, trading etc (which is why I read these boards), but I have professional training and experience, over many decades in (amongst other things) child-death and bereavement. "Sick" is indeed not too strong a word for the prurient fantasists whose drivel is repeated here without apparent moderation.

 

Can we not have an adult, economic, section ... and (if we really have to) an entirely separate quasi-teenage fantasy section for everything about man-made earthquakes, 9/11 conspiracy theories ... and (if really necessary) child-murder prurience.

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PJohnP

 

I wish I had your confidence in the official story on this case.

There are just too many holes in it.

And I do not think we are getting anything like the transparent truth from the Mainstream Media.

 

So, to be frank, it is very hard to know what is really going on.

 

Do you think what we are getting from the MSM is something other than "manufactured spin",

to drive us towards gun control?

 

My own well-considered opinion, as stated on the other thread follows.

I am genuinely interested in hearing what parts of it you disagree with...

 

Okay - here's my take on this.

 

We need to think clearly about the real CAUSE, and address that. And it isn't the guns.

As NRA ads say: Guns don't shoot people, people do.

 

It is either:

 

+ A planned episode that was engineered by a ruthless person, or persons, who wanted to use the massacre as a "false flag", to trigger some sort of reaction - such as gun control. (This seems MOST LIKELY to me, and the incident should be investigated in a thorough and open way, to discover, if the Patsy had help, and how he might have been manipulated.) If the true sequence of events can be discovered, then perhaps the real (behind the scenes) Perpetrators can be found. The more this story becomes less transparent, as it gets hushed up, and controlled by the press, the more suspicious I get.

 

... or another possibility, is that in this particular instance, the mainstream press is right, and:

 

+ This was the act of a 20 year-old lone gunman, who somehow got hold of an arsenal of weapons, used them highly efficiently (killing many, while injuring few), and then shot himself to end it.

 

If the second description is true, then we need to think about what motivated him, and how he got hold of so many weapons. I think the MOTIVATION is very important, at least as important as his source of weaponry, and I agree with this part of the original post by JM:

 

"The killer is the product of his family, the accidents of genetics and his society... (with a) 360 degree, surround sound of almost continual war, drone strikes, collateral damage, violent computer games and the vicarious delight of our media in every violent act?"

 

Okay.

Maybe instead of taking away guns, we should consider taking away something else - some of that "surround sound of violence" - I mean: the violent computer games, the violent films, and other depictions on TV.

 

Do I want to interfere with freedom of speech?

 

Well, if you object to banning them, then let's TAX them: the violent computer games, the violent films,,, the violence on television. Maybe double their price, or maybe increase it by three times with the tax added on.

 

We tax cigarettes, don't we ? - And that is mostly a product where the main person harmed (once you eliminate passive smoking) is the person who buys the cigarette - he pays a tax for the right to harm himself. American society has moved to get rid of passive smoking risk, by banning smoking in public places. The now makes sense to people - they GET IT, and smokers have had to cope the higher cost. Many have stopped smoking altogether.

 

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The violence that people observe (in films and computer games) may harm them through stress, but it can also harm others. If people become desensitized to violence, and find it easier to pull a trigger and shoot a gun, then more people will be hurt by guns than in a less desensitized society.

 

This will seem a strange idea to people who hear it for the first time - but so was the idea of passive smoking, when it was first raised in public forums.

 

If people have to pay three times as much to watch a violent film with much gun violence, then maybe they will only watch 1/3 the number of those films, and the "surround sound of violence" would be meaningfully reduced. I also find it troubling that so many children, and not just boys, spend so much time playing violent computer games, Surely we can find a socially acceptable way to reduce that. A tax on violent games, and playing them online may do it.

 

Later, I admitted that I did not put enough consideration into the role that prescribed drugs had had in this.

 

I tried posting an excerpt from this THREE Times on a Balitimore Sun* page and am convinced that the MSM

has a knee-jerk "gun control reaction" on this story, and rejects any effort (like my post) to broaden it.

 

I am sick of being manipulated

 

(Finally, I think you are very wrong on aliens for a long list of reasons, and how does the popular discussion here about Time Travel impact you in any way? All that threads says is that there is "evidence" that time travel is real. It does nothing more than that, and the thread presently resides in the Fringe, at Van's request.)

 

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*The Baltimore Sun is the US state of Maryland’s largest general-circulation daily newspaper and provides coverage of local and regional news, events, issues, people, and industries.[2]

The Sun was founded on May 17, 1837, by printer Arunah Shepherdson Abell and two associates. The Abell family owned the paper through to 1910, when the Black family gained a controlling interest. The paper was sold in 1986 to the Times-Mirror Company of Los Angeles. The same week, the rival Baltimore News American, owned by the Hearst Corporation, announced it would fold.

The Sun, like most legacy newspapers in the United States, has suffered a number of setbacks of late, including a decline in readership, a shrinking newsroom,[3] and competition from a new free daily, The Baltimore Examiner, which has ceased publication.[4] In 2000, the Times-Mirror company was purchased by the Tribune Company of Chicago.

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Reaction to the NRA call for armed police in US schools

Reuters - ‎24 minutes ago‎

Fri Dec 21, 2012 6:57pm EST. (Reuters) - The National Rifle Association, the powerful U.S. gun lobby group, has called for armed police to be stationed in all U.S.

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Can we not have an adult, economic, section ... and (if we really have to) an entirely separate quasi-teenage fantasy section for everything about man-made earthquakes, 9/11 conspiracy theories ... and (if really necessary) child-murder prurience.

 

There is undoubtedly a need in this World for a board that deals with economic issues, trading and investment. And it seems true that Dr Bubb is an experienced trader and investor

 

I find it odd therefore that the board is reduced to being a forum that seems dominated by weird science with low traffic and difficulty with advertising when it could be a highly successful investment forum.

 

Common sense needs to prevail. Even if aliens chem trails HAARP and all that stuff is absolutely true, that particular combination is never going to attract a large number of users or advertisers if it appears to dominate the board day after day with multiple threads making it hard to find active conversations related to economics of the kind 99.99% of people are interested in.

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http://www.abovetops...hread909747/pg1

There is a horror movie from the year 2000 called "Sandy Hook Lingerie Party Massacre".

 

The director of that weird movie is Ufologist and paranormal investigator Timothy Green Beckley ......

 

Now, look at this very weird review of that movie, published in a blog specialized in horror movies:

 

http://aslashabove.c...re-2000-review/

 

First of all, notice how the review was published on July 20, 2012, the same day of the massacre in Aurora, Colorado, during the premiere of "The Dark Knight Rises".

 

Now read the first paragraph of the review:

"So here we have Sandy Hook Lingerie Party Massacre. Let's say that again, SANDY HOOK LINGERIE PARTY MASSACRE! What do you think of when you see that combination of words? What’s in a title anyway? Does it have a cryptic meaning? Who is Sandy Hook?

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There is undoubtedly a need in this World for a board that deals with economic issues, trading and investment. And it seems true that Dr Bubb is an experienced trader and investor

 

I find it odd therefore that the board is reduced to being a forum that seems dominated by weird science with low traffic and difficulty with advertising when it could be a highly successful investment forum.

 

Common sense needs to prevail. Even if aliens chem trails HAARP and all that stuff is absolutely true, that particular combination is never going to attract a large number of users or advertisers if it appears to dominate the board day after day with multiple threads making it hard to find active conversations related to economics of the kind 99.99% of people are interested in.

 

What makes you think it will have "low traffic"?

 

The number of people who are waking up, and discovering that their freedoms are at risk, seems to be increasing, not shrinking

 

There are many other places to go, if they want to simply tell each other how much gold prices are going to increase - the web is full of websites like that advertising places to but gold or silver coins, and trying to convince people by supporting Ron Paul, and buying silver they can save the world - if only it was that simple !

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Very odd.

They should be raising the price, not cutting it.

 

Supply versus demand - there's been at least a temporary drop in demand for Video games like this one

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So am I.

How can you fall for the deception in this event?

I am tired of being lied to, and manipulated by those with an agenda,

whose attitude is: "Never waste a good crisis."

 

Don't you think your perception could be affected by constantly looking for another side to each story?

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Don't you think your perception could be affected by constantly looking for another side to each story?

 

i agree - not everything is a conspiracy - terrible things happen to normal people, thats just life.

a lot of the time no one is to blame.

sometimes its just one guy with mental problems who snapped.

on rare occasions there may be a group of people behind the scenes trying to manipulate things but history and experience says this really doesn't happen that often (and when it does its found out after a relatively short period) - because when you get right down to it human beings are flawed, stupid, irrational and make mistakes.

thats what annoys me about these conspiracy theories - people are not clever or organised enough to keep it secret for very long, and the bigger the secret, the less it takes to blow the whole thing apart.

i understand why people believe this sort of stuff, its psychology 101 - when you are young its your parents who seem to know everything, have total control over everything, but then you grow up and realise they are just people, as flawed as everybody else.

but people like to hold on to that feeling, either through a god or a belief that there are still parental figures out there in control. It is actually reassuring to believe someone is in control, even if they are doing it for evil purposes - its about feeling safe.

the problem is its all an illusion - we are all as insecure and scared as each other and are just trying to make the best of a complicated life - and that is a scary thing to believe, that there is nobody in control, nobody that can control events and that we are all playing by ear.

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Don't you think your perception could be affected by constantly looking for another side to each story?

???

The main question I ask (after reading of a crisis is) :

 

Cui bono ("To whose benefit?", literally "as a benefit to whom?" ) : link

 

It is a good useful habit.

And then I look for irregularities in how a story is being reported, like a rush to reporting "the cause",

so that an "appropriate reaction" can be found.

 

All the suspicious markers existed in this case, don't you agree ?

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Should Call of Duty be banned?

 

:blink: WTF?

 

forget about a bl00dy viideo game, how about banning the actual real wars, you know, like Afghan and Iraq (100,000+ US troops, 100,000+ civilians murdered etc).

 

jeeze.

 

edit:

 

the US gov't/military does far more to 'glorify' US warfare than the Call of Duty makers ever could. Call of Duty is partly trading off the back of decades of US military recruitment propaganda BS.

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Sure

But as a start, it may be easier to ban (or raise taxes on) Violent Video games,

than it is to stop the violent wars (that the Zionists engineer)

 

The underlying reality seems to be that TPTB want to turn ordinary citizens into slaves

and warriors, and it is hard to fight this, because we are only just waking up to it

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I am planning to combine these two threads,

since JM who inspired this thread, has not yet posted here, and it now seems he may not.

 

I started it to make it easier for him to join the discussion here

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