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Le Pen's big chance - may be coming in next election

War, Revolution & Debt Repudiation - A Cyclical phenomenom ?

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A CLARIFICATION: I do not support Ms. Le Pen's political views

Let me be more clear:

I am interested in her possible role in the Drama which is being "predicted" by the cycles.

Maybe she will not be a key player in the Possible Drama, and it will turn out to be another politician, who is known or unknown today.

Or maybe the drama will be delayed, or not happen at all.

I think if she understands her possible ROLE in History,

you may soon see her moving towards the Center.

 

The main question this time around is : can she capitalise on momentum if the next presidential term doesn't improve the economic condition of France (which is a likely outcome given the current macro-economic state)?

What's her party's policy on :

 

+ Bailing out big banks

+ Blowing up the ECB's balance sheet

+ REpudiating debts to banks

 

If she is against Sarkozy on these, she will have a great chance to move towards the center and be taken seriously, if Holland wins.

 

She will then get the anti-Holland, anti-Merkozy vote, which could be huge in 2-3 years if Holland's big spending plans are seen to fail, and the ECB blows up, as I think it will

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I welcome the reaction from those who know more about French politics than I

 

... meantime, here is an EXCERPT from an interesting article ...

 

Re: Why Did So Many French Vote for ‘Far-Right’ Marine Le Pen

 

By Denis Boyles .. April 23, 2012

 

The fascination surrounding Marine Le Pen’s first-round presidential-election showing, perceptively described by Mario, is dominating the French press today. She’s on nearly every editorial page in the country, as this round-up in l’Express reports. But very few editorialists see her victory as a harbinger of some greater success. Instead, the significance of her third-place finish is seen in the humiliation not just of Nicolas Sarkozy, but also of his Socialist rival, François Hollande.

 

Hollande, the winner in the multi-candidate round, is in many ways the least significant of those running. He may well end up sitting in the Elysée, but he won’t be doing much, because his winning strategy so far — not to be Nicolas Sarkozy — won’t amount to much after the next round, on May 6. Besides, he’s the candidate only because France’s leading Socialist politician left his cell phone and his political career next to the bed in a Manhattan hotel room.

 

Hollande’s proposals are dull-gray and unimaginative, the boilerplate tax-the-rich-and-hire-the-poor nonsense embraced by every left-wing candidate everywhere as a stand-in for an actual idea. Everybody already knows that the last thing France needs is more government employees working their ten-minute weeks under union contracts. On the other hand, Le Pen’s “victory” is far less shocking than her father’s 2002 campaign, which unseated the Socialists under a Hollande-like Lionel Jospin and put the National Front into the final round against a flabbergasted but grateful Jacques Chirac.

 

Compared to those two — a boring limo socialist and a shrill xenophobe — Sarkozy’s campaign has excited genuine passion. People hate him...

 

/more: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/296719/re-why-did-so-many-french-vote-far-right-marine-le-pen-denis-boyles

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is seen in the humiliation not just of Nicolas Sarkozy, but also of his Socialist rival, François Hollande.

 

Not to mention the humiliation of the French People... :(

 

It's true that low rent demagogy sounds attractive when compared to weasel faced Sarkozy and dull and soft Hollande.

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Not to mention the humiliation of the French People... :(

It's true that low rent demagogy sounds attractive when compared to weasel faced Sarkozy and dull and soft Hollande.

Ah yes.

 

But is she capable of being more than a demagog?

If so, history may offer her a real chance to become a serious candidate

 

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Perchance?

 

Its major current policies include economic protectionism, a zero tolerance approach to law and order issues, and a strong opposition to immigration. Since the 1990s, its stance on the European Union has grown increasingly eurosceptic. The party's opposition to immigration is particularly focused on non-European immigration, and includes support for deporting illegal, criminal, and unemployed immigrants; its policy is nevertheless more moderate today than it was at its most radical point in the 1990s.

 

Some party officials have historically been subject to controversy for occasionally promoting historical revisionism, specifically related to the Second World War. However, the party's current leader, Marine Le Pen, has actively distanced herself from this.

. . .

More recently, the party drew from the Poujadism of the 1950s, which started out as an anti-tax movement without relations to the far-right; included among its parliamentary deputies, however, were "proto-nationalists" such as Jean-Marie Le Pen.

 

/see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Front_(France)

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Her party is (as you'd guess) anti-Europe.

 

I hope you're wrong and she won't be. Not because I don't think you're right about the ECB, but I'm hoping (...dreaming...) that voting for a party is not only about executive policies but also about values... :P

 

Okay.

Her chance may disappear if Sarkozy's replacement has "the right stuff" (as we say in L'Anglais)

 

As the original article says:

 

"Sarkozy lost yesterday for the same reason he’ll lose in the next round on May 6: He abandoned a politically popular point-of-view for one nobody wanted."

 

(Er, ah, apart from his real bosses in the NWO)

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"This is the start of a long road to a future victory" - JMLP

 

A Pity (for her) that she does not stimulate a more sympathique reaction

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tN2j-PBGF0

 

Tonight is historic,” Le Pen gushed to her supporters gathered in the 15th district of Paris on Sunday. “We are the only opposition to the ultra-liberal, libertarian left-wing.”

 

Smiling and putting her hand to her heart, the National Front leader led the room in singing the French national anthem. A little girl, carried away by the festive atmosphere on election day, ran through the crowds carrying a tricoloured flag.

 

Across the room, Jean-Marie Le Pen, the aging former leader of the party (and father of Marine) looked on with pride. “This is the start of a long road to a future victory,” he told a group of journalists

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I welcome the reaction from those who know more about French politics than I

...

Isn't she the racist leader of a racist party?

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Isn't she a racist leader of a racist party?

What's a rascist?

 

A label, that's all. Look past the label

 

Why French far-right candidate Marine Le Pen is attracting youth

 

Marine Le Pen polls third across the entire electorate, but second among 18- to 22-year-olds, largely because they see her tough stance on immigration as the answer to their employment struggles.

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Look past the label

Ignore racism?

 

It's clothing, that's all. Look past the clothing

Ku-Klux-Klan.jpg

 

...

Why French far-right candidate Marine Le Pen is attracting youth

...

I'd happily bet that 18% (or more) of the voters in France are stupid.

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Sarkozy comes out fighting with pledge to crack down on immigration after stunning election result for Far-Right

One in five backed Far-Right as Sarkozy took hammering in first round

Socialist Francois Hollande won 27 per cent of vote

Sarkozy had 26 per cent and they will go head to head in second round

But far-right Marine Le Pen wins stunning 20 per cent of the vote

Le Pen: 'Sarkozy has already lost the Presidency'

Feeble economy and lack of jobs could see Sarkozy ousted from office

Polling experts predicted 80 per cent turned out to vote

 

 

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2133426/French-presidential-elections-2012-results-Nicolas-Sarkozy-takes-hammering-1st-round.html#ixzz1sskOLsRy

 

 

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Looks like he has taken the hint from the french people.

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Why French far-right candidate Marine Le Pen is attracting youth

 

Marine Le Pen polls third across the entire electorate, but second among 18- to 22-year-olds, largely because they see her tough stance on immigration as the answer to their employment struggles.

 

Yes, it's always easy to blame "The Other" or those that are different to "Us" <_<

 

The young and foolish sometimes fall for this racist nationalistic c**p, more so in tough times when they need someone to blame.

 

How do you think Hitler came to power.

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Sarkozy comes out fighting with pledge to crack down on immigration after stunning election result for Far-Right

One in five backed Far-Right as Sarkozy took hammering in first round

 

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2133426/French-presidential-elections-2012-results-Nicolas-Sarkozy-takes-hammering-1st-round.html#ixzz1sskOLsRy

 

Looks like he has taken the hint from the french people.

Ironic.

Isn't he, or his father, an immigrant ?

What next, Obama coming out against blacks?

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Yes, it's always easy to blame "The Other" or those that are different to "Us" <_<

The young and foolish sometimes fall for this racist nationalistic c**p, more so in tough times when they need someone to blame.

How do you think Hitler came to power.

Yes.

It is part of a cycle.

 

Task: Find 1776 on this chart

Ss-cyle-1750-1800.jpg

 

and what was the cycle after that?...

 

Check the date of the French Revolution

 

A sharp upwards move in Sunspots is associated with... ?

 

And what's coming next on this chart?

 

Sunspot+cycle.JPG

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Erm... sales of sun cream increasing? :rolleyes:

The 1776 and 1789 surge were associated with Revolutionary changes.

 

Some think it was more than an accident. What do you think?

 

sunspotnumbers.jpg

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Yes, it's always easy to blame "The Other" or those that are different to "Us" <_<

 

The young and foolish sometimes fall for this racist nationalistic c**p, more so in tough times when they need someone to blame.

 

How do you think Hitler came to power.

 

 

This is what worries me. And not just in Europe or the East. But also in the USA and here in the UK too.

Far right or far left do not have to come into power to rip a country apart.

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Some think it was more than an accident. What do you think?

 

sunspotnumbers.jpg

 

Indeed, who can forget the massive wind of change as revolution swept across the globe in 1957/58?

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The 1776 and 1789 surge were associated with Revolutionary changes.

 

Some think it was more than an accident. What do you think?

 

sunspotnumbers.jpg

 

While I try to remain open minded about such correlations, I tend to think more along the lines of R. Feynman when matters of coincidence are raised. Feynman pointed out that the chances (or odds) of me walking out of my front door this morning and seeing a red car with the registration number (for example) AON292T are so unbelievably remote as to be considered impossible. Yet, it is a fact that a car outside my house this morning had that exact number on its plate.

 

Whilst it appears that some short term correlation between blocking highs (cold winters in the northern hemisphere) and the minima of solar sunspot cycles might have some credence, coincidence itself is an amazing thing.

 

If you were to pick any cycle of time over the last 2000 years, I'm sure you could find significant historical events that would coincide with peaks and troughs within that cycle.

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TWO WAR-RELATED CYCLES are lining up

 

In the K-Wave: "A 'trough' war breaks the psychology of doom" - Yelnick

 

Whilst it appears that some short term correlation between blocking highs (cold winters in the northern hemisphere) and the minima of solar sunspot cycles might have some credence, coincidence itself is an amazing thing.

 

If you were to pick any cycle of time over the last 2000 years, I'm sure you could find significant historical events that would coincide with peaks and troughs within that cycle.

Here's an EXCERPT from where that first sunspots image came from:

 

HOW I PREDICTED THE FALL OF THE IRON CURTAIN TO THE MONTH

 

In the mid-1980s, writing in two small radical publications, I predicted the dissolution of the Soviet Union and freedom for eastern Europe for the exact month that it did in fact happen. I did not predict it specifically for November of 1989. I predicted it for the height of the next eleven year sunspot cycle. The height occurred in November of 1989. And, as this article argues, this was no coincidence. For sunspots give off solar flares that increase negative ionization on earth--and increased negative ionization during sunspot maximum periods increases human excitablity and activity.

 

Scientists have studied and quantified sunspots since the 1750s. They have noted that sunspot cycles will vary in length from 9 to 13 years and in number of sunspots, from half-a-dozen during minimum years to many hundreds during maximum years. Many scientists and analysts have admitted or claimed there is some impact on electrical grids, climate, weather, agriculture and commodity markets, economic cycles, etc. But few admit that human activity could be influenced by something as seemingly irrational -- and uncontrollable -- as sunspot activity.

. . .

 

Activists since the 1960s like myself have lived through several sunspot heights - the 1968-71, 1979-82, 1989-1992, 2000-2003 periods. We can think back at our own experiences of several years of frenzied activity, with big meetings and big protests, when the least indignity might lead to riots, rebellions, revolutions, civil wars. And we can remember other periods of years when once vital organizations declined or died, meetings and protests were fewer and smaller, and lethargic peoples seem willing to endure repression. Then, just when the few remaining activists were in deep despair - a magical resurgence of activity

/more: http://www.carolmoore.net/articles/sunspot-cycle.html

 

There's another Cycle used to forecast Peak Wars and Trough Wars - that's the K-Wave

 

k-wave1.jpg

 

Close-up:

cycles.gif

 

"One of the more intriguing characteristics of a K-wave winter is the buildup of sinister forces that are religious in nature. The 1930's saw the rise of Nazism that led to WW2. "

 

/source: http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_02/chapmand062902.html

 

"A key highlight of the K-Wave is that there are Peak Wars and Trough Wars: When the K-Wave has decimated an economy, you get a war to spark recovery. Such was World War II - a trough war. At the other end of the spectrum, about halfway through a K-Wave, you get a Peak War. Yes, Vietnam was our most recent Peak War. Little wars happen, such as Gulf War I, but they have not been sufficiently large to spur the kind of infrastructure destruction required, and most importantly the repudiation of sufficient debt, to reset the Longwave cycle clock. You need something really, really big."

 

/source: http://futurejacked.blogspot.com/2007/12/george-ure-over-at-urbansurvival-has.html

 

If we can "reset" the clock, and repudiate debt, without a major war - it would be a genuine feat.

 

As Iceland has shown, it is not impossible. But it does require the World to overthrow the reign of global bankers who hold most of the debt.

 

In Europe Ms. Le Pen may have a role to play in getting the repudiation of debts done.

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Thanks to the WSJ for pointing out (in this morning's article) that Bad Behavior is nor purely by black folks

 

The Ugly Brutishness of Modern Britain - Theodore Dalrymple

 

(the article speaks of):

 

+ Public drunkenness is an all too common feature of the English landscape

 

+ The English are a people who know neither inner nor outer restraint

 

+ When it comes to violence or aggressive behaviour against the innocent, it is "by no means sure that the law will take their side in the event of a fracas. It is better, or easier for them to pretend not to notice anything, even if it means living in constant fear."

 

"Under the circumstances, it is hardly surprising that, according to a survey recently conducted by Lloyds bank, a fifth of all people with assets of more than $640,000 are thinking of leaving the country."

 

"50% of the population wants to leave, in main to flee the other 50%."

 

The French and Ms.Le Pen have decided that the other solution, of getting "the bad 50%' to leave might work, and want to start with immigrant groups.

 

==

 

"Sadly, the freedom to behave badly is almost the only freedom valued by, or left to, young Britons."

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It's amazing that people can (presumably) study history and learn so little.

 

In the past several days I've been able to see just how right-wing the moderator of this website is.

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It's amazing that people can (presumably) study history and learn so little.

 

In the past several days I've been able to see just how right-wing the moderator of this website is.

Not at all !!

You seem to misunderstand.

 

I do not support the politics of Ms. Le Pen. In fact, I know little about them.

(As I have admitted.)

 

This thread is talking about the CYCLICAL POSTION which is pushing countries towards :

Revolution, War, and/or Debt repudiation.

 

My main point is that Debt Repudiation may be a far better path than the other two.

 

If Le Pen can manage to vere towards the centre and foster debt repudiation, then she may prove to be a more positive force than many here are ready to believe. I really do not know if she has the ability to change, and become the sort of "positive change agent" that I am talking about - Others may know better than I.

 

But it will be interesting to see if a politician, be it Ms Le Pen or someone else, will emerge with such a platform.

 

On the other hand, I do not think that pondering Le Pen's politics is a taboo subject. If someone put forth her extreme views here as a viable program, you would likely find me attacking the views, but not person (unless they behave badly.)

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Not at all !!

You seem to misunderstand.

 

I do not support the politics of Ms. Le Pen. In fact, I know little about them.

(As I have admitted.)

 

This thread is talking about the CYCLICAL POSTION which is leading countries towards :

Revolution, War, and/or Debt repudiation.

 

My main point is that Debt Repudiation may be a far better path than the other two.

 

If Le Pen can manage to vere towards the centre and foster debt repudiation, then she may prove to be a more positive force than many here are ready to believe. I really do not know if she has that capability - Others may know better than I.

 

 

You seem to have looked over/discarded her racist views already?

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You seem to have looked over/discarded her racist views already?

Yes. I am overlooking them - that's not the purpose of the thread

 

Let me be more clear:

I am interested in her possible role in the Drama which is being "predicted" by the cycles.

 

Maybe she will not be a key player in the Possible Drama, and it will turn out to be another politician, who is known or unknown today.

Or maybe the drama will be delayed, or not happen at all.

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