Green Energy Investors > Suggestions from loyal GEI-ers about the site's direction

DrBubb

Dec 18 2009, 09:40 AM

Suggestions from loyal GEI-ers about the site's direction
Do you miss the FOPPs?
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"The pleasant tolerant atmosphere on GEI has defiantly returned since the exodus." - enrieb

QUOTE (carbon junkie @ Dec 18 2009, 05:05 PM)

I've told you Bubb you missed the great opportunity it was in March HL, SLW, NG etc. etc.
Maybe if I had spent the last six months crowing every day my stocks went up ( and they practically have) I would have driven people away like you have.
You've only been right for a few days.

Good riddance to the 1-way Gold rampers !
Those that left were creating too much friction here, and the site is running better.
(Frankly, I got sick and tired of running a free website and dealing with so many battles.
No doubt, some of the conflict was designed to destroy the good feeling on this website,
and make people eager to try a new home. When I first realised that, I was rather angry.
But to be honest, I have better things to do with my time than worry about what Jim Sinclair
and his over-enthused followers think.)

I much prefer those who want a balanced view to a Gold cheering circle.

BTW, I made some nice gains on some of those stocks, like SLW, that I bought below $4.00.
Also, since September, I made a 4x-5x bagger on one of my larger positions. But I didnt tell
everyone in the world they had to jump in, and were "evil" not to be buying.

The next big opportunity may be in Juniors, possibly as early as January, if things line up right.

This thread is a good place to have a discussion about the future of the website, and whether
anyone here misses the FOPPs and their arguments.

No6

Dec 18 2009, 09:56 AM

FOPPS? Friends of Pangbourne Primary School, what have they done wrong?

http://www.fopps.org.uk/

romans holiday

Dec 18 2009, 10:01 AM

The term "fop" cracks me up. I think as long as the fopps were not too militant in their views and displayed tolerance to the views of others, they were great to have around. The problem was that some of the fopps became foppish and precious towards any rational criticism displayed towards their view and then sulked off. All a bit silly really,and a jolly poor show. Stiff upper lip old chap and all that.

romans holiday

Dec 18 2009, 10:02 AM

QUOTE (No6 @ Dec 18 2009, 06:56 PM)

FOPPS? Friends of Pangbourne Primary School, what have they done wrong?

http://www.fopps.org.uk/

Yes! Re-educate the lot of them!

DrBubb

Dec 18 2009, 10:02 AM

QUOTE (No6 @ Dec 18 2009, 05:56 PM)

FOPPS? Friends of Pangbourne Primary School, what have they done wrong?

http://www.fopps.org.uk/

LOL.
I thought this discussion (which started elsewhere) deserved a thread of its own.
Unfortunately, GEI is still experiencing a fair amount of "fishing" from the other website

QUOTE (romans holiday @ Dec 18 2009, 04:11 PM)

Followers of.... [I think you can guess the rest].

Yeah. They may be beating their own brains out on a different website, as we get down to the
serious business of spotting the next great buying opportunity here.

QUOTE (romans holiday @ Dec 18 2009, 03:43 PM)

I'm thinking the more subdued nature of this thread speaks volumes.

Yeah. They have all gone a bit quiet here.
Hows the mood over on 24K. Is it all "don't worry, this price fall is temporary, chaps!" ?

It is interesting how we have been left with our very nice old core of reasonable balanced posters here.

A smaller website, with more balanced discussions, is very welcome to me.

Icarus

Dec 18 2009, 10:11 AM

QUOTE (DrBubb @ Dec 18 2009, 10:02 AM)

LOL.
I thought this discussion (which started elsewhere) deserved a thread of its own.
Unfortunately, GEI is still experiencing a fair amount of "fishing" from the other website

Yeah. They may be beating their own brains out on a different website, as we get down to the
serious business of spotting the next great buying opportunity here.

Yeah. They have all gone a bit quiet here.
Hows the mood over on 24K. Is it all "don't worry, this price fall is temporary, chaps!" ?

It is interesting how we have been left with our very nice old core of reasonable balanced posters here.

A smaller website, with more balanced discussions, is very welcome to me.

What is FOPP?

But you're right. The people who squeal with delight evertime the price of gold falls a couple of bucks are getting quite boring.

Greensleeves

Dec 18 2009, 10:11 AM

What a relief! Friends of Pied Pipers (sont histoire) - great name.

Thank you Dr Bubb and I think you did so much the right thing. Some threads on this site had become like a war zone, and whilst old faithfuls probably were not leaving they were being more brief with their visits (if I am one to go on). The recent drop in gold sent them catatonic - and that is starting from a fairly wired base!

I am a strategist for one of the US consultancies and am sitting on a sum of money to invest - not massive, but certainly large enough to be worried about it "just sitting in bank accounts". I have taught myself about the markets over the last five years and your site has been a great part of that.

I always visit your Trading Diary first to get a barometer - and I like the fact it takes account of currency markets and metals as well as stock indices. I also like your more philosophical threads too. I am hoping that one day Green investments can become more central and this site will have been the first real blogsite to support them.

The site I go to in US hours is ZeroHedge - a fantastic place for up to the minute wise-bear observations.

Thank you.

DrBubb

Dec 18 2009, 10:16 AM

QUOTE (Icarus @ Dec 18 2009, 06:11 PM)

What is FOPP?
But you're right. The people who squeal with delight evertime the price of gold falls a couple of bucks are getting quite boring.

Ah well.
I think the chance to buy Gold or Gold stocks before the next major run is worth waiting for.

Too much strident "noise", while monitoring markets, and awaiting that time would be counterproductive.

DrBubb

Dec 18 2009, 10:22 AM

QUOTE (Greensleeves @ Dec 18 2009, 06:11 PM)

... I am hoping that one day Green investments can become more central and this site will have been the first real blogsite to support them.

I agree that a good focus there would be nice.
The problem is that it si not easy to separate the wheat from the chaff.

There are many "promotional" companies, that are cashing in on the present enthusiasm for green technologies.
But their businesses may amount to nothing, and just take investors for a ride.

I'm not sure I have enough knowledge of the science to lead people to the winners.

No6

Dec 18 2009, 10:25 AM

QUOTE (Icarus @ Dec 18 2009, 11:11 AM)

What is FOPP?

But you're right. The people who squeal with delight evertime the price of gold falls a couple of bucks are getting quite boring.

As are those that squeal with delight when anything else falls. It's inevitable that someone will be offended when their pet investment starts to move the wrong way and someone else seems to be making a profit from it.

Icarus

Dec 18 2009, 10:33 AM

QUOTE (No6 @ Dec 18 2009, 10:25 AM)

As are those that squeal with delight when anything else falls. It's inevitable that someone will be offended when their pet investment starts to move the wrong way and someone else seems to be making a profit from it.

Losing cash brings out the worst in people. Being proved wrong makes people feel even worse. Taking the micky out of people at such times is fun, but will likely cause some dispute.

In any case I still feel that gold will resume its upward trend. I don't see the Fed's inflationary policys ending any time soon.

grumpy-old-man

Dec 18 2009, 10:37 AM

QUOTE (No6 @ Dec 18 2009, 10:25 AM)

As are those that squeal with delight when anything else falls. It's inevitable that someone will be offended when their pet investment starts to move the wrong way and someone else seems to be making a profit from it.

Bubb, No6 et al, you are going to have:

No6

Dec 18 2009, 10:37 AM

QUOTE (DrBubb @ Dec 18 2009, 11:02 AM)

LOL.
I thought this discussion (which started elsewhere) deserved a thread of its own.
Unfortunately, GEI is still experiencing a fair amount of "fishing" from the other website

Yeah. They may be beating their own brains out on a different website, as we get down to the
serious business of spotting the next great buying opportunity here.

Yeah. They have all gone a bit quiet here.
Hows the mood over on 24K. Is it all "don't worry, this price fall is temporary, chaps!" ?

It is interesting how we have been left with our very nice old core of reasonable balanced posters here.

A smaller website, with more balanced discussions, is very welcome to me.

I don't think it is worth worrying about, live and let live I say. I've had the occasional look at 24k and they seem to have had one or two problems already as the site owner has tried to apply certain rules, one or two members seem to have left or disagreed over the policy. Other than a few anarchy forums, I don't know of any boards that don't have rules or codes of conduct. Unfortunately, it is inevitable that some people seem to be offended by this, but if you have no rules then eventually your site is going to be taken out by trolls and because some trolls are very good at what they do it is getting more difficult to identify them as against genuine members who just happen to have a different point of view.

No6

Dec 18 2009, 10:38 AM

QUOTE (grumpy-old-man @ Dec 18 2009, 11:37 AM)

Bubb, No6 et al, you are going to have:

I like eggs, can I have chips as well?

No6

Dec 18 2009, 10:38 AM

QUOTE (Icarus @ Dec 18 2009, 11:33 AM)

Losing cash brings out the worst in people. Being proved wrong makes people feel even worse. Taking the micky out of people at such times is fun, but will likely cause some dispute.

In any case I still feel that gold will resume its upward trend. I don't see the Fed's inflationary policys ending any time soon.

I agree.

grumpy-old-man

Dec 18 2009, 10:40 AM

but to be fair, I have to give you some credit Bubb (even though it pains me to do so) for leaving the 24knews sig on our user accounts.

No doubt you have seen the action at that site. At least now you are not amongst the worst moderators any more.

your crown has been taken in an absolute autocratic style that has made even the hardened virtual posters like myself wince with shock.

grumpy-old-man

Dec 18 2009, 10:41 AM

QUOTE (No6 @ Dec 18 2009, 10:38 AM)

I like eggs, can I have chips as well?

no, as you have a fiat chip on each shoulder, so you are well balanced imo.

No6

Dec 18 2009, 10:44 AM

QUOTE (grumpy-old-man @ Dec 18 2009, 11:40 AM)

but to be fair, I have to give you some credit Bubb (even though it pains me to do so) for leaving the 24knews sig on our user accounts.

Did you not have it on your sig at one stage (forgive me if I'm wrong, but I thought I saw it)? I assume it is you that removed it?

No6

Dec 18 2009, 10:45 AM

QUOTE (grumpy-old-man @ Dec 18 2009, 11:41 AM)

no, as you have a fiat chip on each shoulder, so you are well balanced imo.

Ah! If only you knew.

grumpy-old-man

Dec 18 2009, 10:47 AM

QUOTE (No6 @ Dec 18 2009, 10:44 AM)

Did you not have it on your sig at one stage (forgive me if I'm wrong, but I thought I saw it)? I assume it is you that removed it?

yes I did (first time ever for a sig for GOM on any site) & yes I removed it myself.

Mike Mustard

Dec 18 2009, 10:48 AM

I never really understood why the debate became so animated. Almost all markets in all of history have gone up and down so a market going up then down is a fairly mundane event.

grumpy-old-man

Dec 18 2009, 10:48 AM

QUOTE (No6 @ Dec 18 2009, 10:45 AM)

Ah! If only you knew.

well I was being sarcastic obviously...

I would imagine that the majority on here hold some physical.

DrBubb

Dec 18 2009, 10:51 AM

QUOTE (grumpy-old-man @ Dec 18 2009, 06:37 PM)

Bubb, No6 et al, you are going to have:

This is exactly what troubles me !

GOM, I am afraid that I would class you as a true FOPP right now,

Many FOPPs have been aggressively abusing and ridiculing those who were bearish, or even just firmly neutral
on Gold, and merely trying to present a more balanced view.

When the price turned lower, and it was the FOPPs' turn to take a bit of teasing and moderate ridicule,
they got angry, or just ran away.

It is very clear to everyone who is wearing the egg right now, even if most of the FOPPs are hiding
on the other website.

If those, like me, who see a big move in gold someday, get long again as the dollar rally/ gold fall
is running its course, there will be no need to wear egg at all.

But the FOPPs dont see that simple truth, they simply want to hurl mud at anyoen who disagrees with them.

Thank Gawd, they now have their own website, and can leave GEI's balanced posters in peace.
Also welcome are genuine bears, and enthusiastic bulls, so long as they are willing to respect the views
of others.
genuine bears (who are welcome if they show respect)

DrBubb

Dec 18 2009, 10:54 AM

QUOTE (Mike Mustard @ Dec 18 2009, 06:48 PM)

I never really understood why the debate became so animated. Almost all markets in all of history have gone up and down so a market going up then down is a fairly mundane event.

Actually, Mike, the aggressive actions/reactions is often a pretty important indication of a major top !

Remember UK property in 2007?

G0ldfinger

Dec 18 2009, 10:56 AM

QUOTE (Icarus @ Dec 18 2009, 10:11 AM)

What is FOPP?

But you're right. The people who squeal with delight evertime the price of gold falls a couple of bucks are getting quite boring.

Bubb can't really get over this, can he? Anyway, not all FOPP (how about friends of ...) have left. But, yeah, I have seen that something has gone nuclear over at 24K already. Something to do with swampy I think... Who would have thought it?!

Seems like more tumbleweed at 24K now than here.

grumpy-old-man

Dec 18 2009, 10:58 AM

QUOTE (DrBubb @ Dec 18 2009, 10:51 AM)

This is exactly what troubles me !

GOM, I am afraid that I would class you as a true FOPP right now,

Many FOPPs have been aggressively abusing and ridiculing those who were bearish, or even just firmly neutral
on Gold, and merely trying to present a more balanced view.

When the price turned lower, and it was the FOPPs' turn to take a bit of teasing and moderate ridicule,
they got angry, or just ran away.

remember not everyone bought in dollars, I bought in Euros for example. Not much of a drop....

DrBubb

Dec 18 2009, 10:58 AM

QUOTE (grumpy-old-man @ Dec 18 2009, 06:40 PM)

but to be fair, I have to give you some credit Bubb (even though it pains me to do so) for leaving the 24knews sig on our user accounts.

No doubt you have seen the action at that site. At least now you are not amongst the worst moderators any more.

your crown has been taken in an absolute autocratic style that has made even the hardened virtual posters like myself wince with shock.

??
To be honest, GOM. I havent a clue what you are talking about.
Are 24K having moderation "issues" already?

I considerered dropping in, and tossing some mud around there. But after about 10 minutes the idea passed,
as I realised I had better (and maybe more profitable) ways to spend my time.

And I also began to notice some of my favorite GEI posters happily posting here, and thought - we may lose
a few good ones, but I reckon we will keep a solid core, and grow into an even better website than before,

G0ldfinger

Dec 18 2009, 11:00 AM

QUOTE (DrBubb @ Dec 18 2009, 10:51 AM)

When the price turned lower, and it was the FOPPs' turn to take a bit of teasing and moderate ridicule,
they got angry, or just ran away.

Not all CIGAs are that childish Bubb.

Also, you seem to somewhat enjoy this whole argument.

The PBPP (Paper Bug Pied Pipers) just have a short term/trader view, that's all (always the same "problem").

DrBubb

Dec 18 2009, 11:00 AM

QUOTE (grumpy-old-man @ Dec 18 2009, 06:58 PM)

remember not everyone bought in dollars, I bought in Euros for example. Not much of a drop....

GOM, I have nothing but good hopes for your investing.
But, guess what, you'd have been better off moving into US$ and C$, like me.
And if you can get the Put-buying right, you can do even better than I have.

G0ldfinger

Dec 18 2009, 11:01 AM

QUOTE (DrBubb @ Dec 18 2009, 10:58 AM)

Are 24K having moderation "issues" already?

As I wrote, something went nuclear. Hence, not many traces of it:

http://www.24knews.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=125

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Thank you very much to Pixel8r & his team for a wonderful forum.

I've very much enjoyed my stay here and hope to see you all in the future.

Wishing you all the best for the future.

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Postby Pixel8r » Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:52 pm

Ziknik wrote:Thank you very much to Pixel8r & his team for a wonderful forum.

I've very much enjoyed my stay here and hope to see you all in the future.

Wishing you all the best for the future.

Bye Bye

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I am sorry to see you go, I guess the issues with swampy are to much for some. I will refund your donation if you like, just send me a PM.
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Postby Guest » Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:24 am
It's the deletion that was the issue. Nothing to do with swampy, he can fight his own battles, it's not my personal business.

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Postby grumpy-old-man » Fri Dec 18, 2009 10:18 am

Ziknik wrote:Thank you very much to Pixel8r & his team for a wonderful forum.

I've very much enjoyed my stay here and hope to see you all in the future.

Wishing you all the best for the future.

Bye Bye

Ziknik

ziknik, I posted the text below in the swampy departed thread, but only logged in members can see it. It was in reply to Pixel8r's last post. Cheers, GOM.

"I wouldn't have had swampy down as a liar.
Also you sending him a final pm through the sites software titled "bye bye idiot" I find incredible. I have seen the personal messages you sent.
You should not have deleted his posts, nor should you have banned him by IP. You have handled this worse than Bubb et al imo Pixel8r........

as lowrent so aptly said:

absolute power corrupts absolutely.

There is nothing more to say on the matter. I won't be posting any more on this site, hiow can I. This is worse than GEI from a moderation pov.
Also, going for donations & google ads within days of setting up a new site is not the way forward imo.

ziknik, respect from GOM & swampy. Others who commented........thanks also."

grumpy-old-man

Dec 18 2009, 11:02 AM

QUOTE (DrBubb @ Dec 18 2009, 11:00 AM)

GOM, I have nothing but good hopes for your investing.
But, guess what, you'd have been better off moving into US$ and C$, like me.
And if you can get the Put-buying right, you can do even better than I have.

I definetly won't make as much money as you BUT I am 99.9% sure that I am totally safe & protected as best I can, & that's what matters for me.

G0ldfinger

Dec 18 2009, 11:06 AM

QUOTE (DrBubb @ Dec 18 2009, 10:51 AM)

It is very clear to everyone who is wearing the egg right now, even if most of the FOPPs are hiding
on the other website.

DrBubb

Dec 18 2009, 11:06 AM

QUOTE (G0ldfinger @ Dec 18 2009, 07:00 PM)

Not all CIGAs are that childish Bubb.

Also, you seem to somewhat enjoy this whole argument.

The PBPP (Paper Bug Pied Pipers) just have a short term/trader view, that's all (always the same "problem").

I enjoy some images of JS as a Piper, but I think it fits his behaviour so very well.

Beyond that, I do feel like some of the mud thrown in my direction needed to be returned.
(Such a return fits a deeply ingrained sense of symmetry and fairness that is built into me.)

I actually thought some mild teasing involving Sinclair's image and role, would be less devisive than
picking on individual FOPPs. (GOM's an exception, he likes his role as a sort of court jester, and mixer-upper
here. And I nearly always find him more amusing than abrasive. But if he throws eggs, he needs the odd
egg or mud in return - or he may morph into something worse.)

G0ldfinger

Dec 18 2009, 11:09 AM

QUOTE (grumpy-old-man @ Dec 18 2009, 10:40 AM)

At least now you are not amongst the worst moderators any more.

your crown has been taken in an absolute autocratic style that has made even the hardened virtual posters like myself wince with shock.

GOM, believe me, if you were a site owner you would either run exactly into the same problems (and would be "shocked" about yourself

), or you would not interfer at all, until the police (or someone) would have to do it for you.

Mike Mustard

Dec 18 2009, 11:09 AM

QUOTE (DrBubb @ Dec 18 2009, 10:54 AM)

Actually, Mike, the aggressive actions/reactions is often a pretty important indication of a major top !

Remember UK property in 2007?

By major top do you mean a once in a generation high or do you see gold going higher in a couple of years?

I am not that bothered about the price of gold as I hold it as a hedge against inflation and or currency devaluation but I would be disappointed if it fell back to $250 because I would lose quite a bit. I bought about a third of my gold in 1999 at an "astonishingly low" price and the rest I bought at prices between $800 and $920. I actually bought and sold some gold between $450 and $630 and wish now that I hadn't had to sell it as I only did so because I was going through a bad patch.

Personally I think we will see inflation in the US and the UK within about 2 years and gold will be effective at protecting investors in this scenario. I admit that I could be wrong and think there is a 30% chance that I am wrong.

I remember when we thought $1000 was a distant dream. It has done very well in the last few years but I will stick with it a bit longer.

romans holiday

Dec 18 2009, 11:12 AM

QUOTE (grumpy-old-man @ Dec 18 2009, 08:02 PM)

I definetly won't make as much money as you BUT I am 99.9% sure that I am totally safe & protected as best I can, & that's what matters for me.

I'd guess that a lot on this site would agree with you... that in the long term your investment will do very well.

I never quite got why fopps [followers/ friends of...] couldn't appreciate that there are "different strokes for different folks". A strategy that suits one person, might not suit everyone... even though the end goal is quite similiar. I wouldn't mind seeing some of the old fopps back posting... less dogmatically, and with more tolerance of differing [not necessarily opposing] views.

DrBubb

Dec 18 2009, 11:15 AM

QUOTE (Mike Mustard @ Dec 18 2009, 07:09 PM)

By major top do you mean a once in a generation high or do you see gold going higher in a couple of years?

I am not that bothered about the price of gold as I hold it as a hedge against inflation and or currency devaluation but I would be disappointed if it fell back to $250 because I would lose quite a bit. I bought about a third of my gold in 1999 at an "astonishingly low" price and the rest I bought at prices between $800 and $920. I actually bought and sold some gold between $450 and $630 and wish now that I hadn't had to sell it as I only did so because I was going through a bad patch.

I really do not know yet (to be honest.)
But probably a top which needs a correct to at least $1000-1050 over several months, and maybe even much lower.

I have an idea of what I will be watching for my next buy signal. And I hope it works better in 2010 or 2011.

I got a very low confidence buy signal in August-Sept, 2009, so I hope the next one is stronger or easier to detect.

AJC

Dec 18 2009, 11:15 AM

QUOTE (DrBubb @ Dec 18 2009, 10:58 AM)

??
To be honest, GOM. I havent a clue what you are talking about.
Are 24K having moderation "issues" already?

I considerered dropping in, and tossing some mud around there. But after about 10 minutes the idea passed,
as I realised I had better (and maybe more profitable) ways to spend my time.

And I also began to notice some of my favorite GEI posters happily posting here, and thought - we may lose
a few good ones, but I reckon we will keep a solid core, and grow into an even better website than before,

Yes they are. Not surprisingly it revolved around Swampy.
So far as I could tell, he was misrepresenting Pixel and (whether delibrately or not) making him out to be inept and untruthful.
Whatever.
To be fair, I think Pixel is trying hard to create the kind of site he wants and why not. Swampy is clearly a bright guy but his ego is massive and wherever he seems to post the site inevitably ends up being about him. He shoud set his own place up rather than slating the sites of others.
GOM I know you disagree with this, but I feel strongly that the site owner has every right to run his forum as he wants it. Clearly if he becomes trigger happy he will lose posters but equally inertia is no answer.
It's a shame in one sense that a new site has had to come about, but I think it will work well. Both owners have a clear idea as to the kind of forum they want and so I expect there to be a lot less mud slinging going forward.

DrBubb

Dec 18 2009, 11:16 AM

QUOTE (G0ldfinger @ Dec 18 2009, 07:09 PM)

GOM, believe me, if you were a site owner you would either run exactly into the same problems (and would be "shocked" about yourself

), or you would not interfer at all, until the police (or someone) would have to do it for you.

Agreed.
Moderation is no treat.
I tried "amazing tolerance" for a long time here, and it came to be abused, especially when I was asleep.

G0ldfinger

Dec 18 2009, 11:18 AM

QUOTE (DrBubb @ Dec 18 2009, 11:16 AM)

especially when I was asleep.

The rats are dancing on the table when the Piper is asleep.

DrBubb

Dec 18 2009, 11:23 AM

QUOTE (AJC @ Dec 18 2009, 07:15 PM)

Yes they are. Not surprisingly it revolved around Swampy.
So far as I could tell, he was misrepresenting Pixel and (whether delibrately or not) making him out to be inept and untruthful.
. . .
To be fair, I think Pixel is trying hard to create the kind of site he wants and why not. Swampy is clearly a bright guy but his ego is massive and wherever he seems to post the site inevitably ends up being about him. He shoud set his own place up rather than slating the sites of others.

LOL. I shouldnt laugh, but somehow it is all so predictable.
And there's a certain irony to it, since many seem to think we treated the Swamp-man unfairly,
when in fact, we tried so hard to get him to stay and behave.

QUOTE (AJC @ Dec 18 2009, 07:15 PM)

GOM I know you disagree with this, but I feel strongly that the site owner has every right to run his forum as he wants it. Clearly if he becomes trigger happy he will lose posters but equally inertia is no answer.
It's a shame in one sense that a new site has had to come about, but I think it will work well. Both owners have a clear idea as to the kind of forum they want and so I expect there to be a lot less mud slinging going forward.

I wish Pixel well, so long as he doesnt come fishing here too often. He definitely made some worthwhile
contributions here, and I will miss that.

If his site is really something different than people can choose what they are looking for, and the posters
will build the sort of discussions that they find most worthwhile. There are probably many types of discussions
which will work here, that would not work there - and vice versa.

DrBubb

Dec 18 2009, 11:25 AM

QUOTE (G0ldfinger @ Dec 18 2009, 07:01 PM)

As I wrote, something went nuclear. Hence, not many traces of it:
http://www.24knews.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=125

Ziknik's welcome here.
I forgot why he left

No6

Dec 18 2009, 11:29 AM

QUOTE (AJC @ Dec 18 2009, 12:15 PM)

Yes they are. Not surprisingly it revolved around Swampy.
So far as I could tell, he was misrepresenting Pixel and (whether delibrately or not) making him out to be inept and untruthful.
Whatever.
To be fair, I think Pixel is trying hard to create the kind of site he wants and why not. Swampy is clearly a bright guy but his ego is massive and wherever he seems to post the site inevitably ends up being about him. He shoud set his own place up rather than slating the sites of others.
GOM I know you disagree with this, but I feel strongly that the site owner has every right to run his forum as he wants it. Clearly if he becomes trigger happy he will lose posters but equally inertia is no answer.
It's a shame in one sense that a new site has had to come about, but I think it will work well. Both owners have a clear idea as to the kind of forum they want and so I expect there to be a lot less mud slinging going forward.

I think Swampy would be best suited to having his own blog. Perhaps he already has one, but in a different name?

AJC

Dec 18 2009, 11:29 AM

QUOTE (DrBubb @ Dec 18 2009, 11:25 AM)

Ziknik's welcome here.
I forgot why he left

The same reason he left 24knews: deletion of thread(s).

riggerbeautz

Dec 18 2009, 11:32 AM

QUOTE (DrBubb @ Dec 18 2009, 11:06 AM)

I enjoy some images of JS as a Piper, but I think it fits his behaviour so very well.

Beyond that, I do feel like some of the mud thrown in my direction needed to be returned.
(Such a return fits a deeply ingrained sense of symmetry and fairness that is built into me.)

I actually thought some mild teasing involving Sinclair's image and role, would be less devisive than
picking on individual FOPPs. (GOM's an exception, he likes his role as a sort of court jester, and mixer-upper
here. And I nearly always find him more amusing than abrasive. But if he throws eggs, he needs the odd
egg or mud in return - or he may morph into something worse.)

Humour and banter is one thing and I like GOM, just wish he'd call truce sometimes.

GOM you just don't seem to appreciate not everyone has a rhino hide.

There are far worse though who are never content to debate/educate by thoughtful response, instead merely seem to want to score points for self esteem rather than encourage greater awareness of markets, society or the elites that would happily control humble ignoramuses like me.

Shame we can't accept there is always a different point of view, as only a fool considers one side of an argument. Something from lurking on the new site they happily recognised and wanted. Beats me why some would harass to the point of submission an alternative view.

G0ldfinger

Dec 18 2009, 11:34 AM

QUOTE (DrBubb @ Dec 18 2009, 11:23 AM)

And there's a certain irony to it, since many seem to think we treated the Swamp-man unfairly,
when in fact, we tried so hard to get him to stay and behave.

Swampy collects forum bans like other peoples collect stamps or gold coins.

grumpy-old-man

Dec 18 2009, 11:36 AM

QUOTE (G0ldfinger @ Dec 18 2009, 11:09 AM)

GOM, believe me, if you were a site owner you would either run exactly into the same problems (and would be "shocked" about yourself

), or you would not interfer at all, until the police (or someone) would have to do it for you.

I have been asked to mod on several sites & with my background in IT wouldn't find it a problem, but never have. I could very easily set up a website myself (& indeed was asked to do so

, but said no).

If you remember I commented on this very site that all websites are doomed to fail eventually unless it's completely subscription based imo.

grumpy-old-man

Dec 18 2009, 11:38 AM

QUOTE (riggerbeautz @ Dec 18 2009, 11:32 AM)

Humour and banter is one thing and I like GOM, just wish he'd call truce sometimes.

GOM you just don't seem to appreciate not everyone has a rhino hide.

There are far worse though who are never content to debate/educate by thoughtful response, instead merely seem to want to score points for self esteem rather than encourage greater awareness of markets, society or the elites that would happily control humble ignoramuses like me.

Shame we can't accept there is always a different point of view, as only a fool considers one side of an argument. Something from lurking on the new site they happily recognised and wanted. Beats me why some would harass to the point of submission an alternative view.

fair comments....

grumpy-old-man

Dec 18 2009, 11:43 AM

QUOTE (AJC @ Dec 18 2009, 11:15 AM)

Yes they are. Not surprisingly it revolved around Swampy.
So far as I could tell, he was misrepresenting Pixel and (whether delibrately or not) making him out to be inept and untruthful.
Whatever.
To be fair, I think Pixel is trying hard to create the kind of site he wants and why not. Swampy is clearly a bright guy but his ego is massive and wherever he seems to post the site inevitably ends up being about him. He shoud set his own place up rather than slating the sites of others.
GOM I know you disagree with this, but I feel strongly that the site owner has every right to run his forum as he wants it. Clearly if he becomes trigger happy he will lose posters but equally inertia is no answer.
It's a shame in one sense that a new site has had to come about, but I think it will work well. Both owners have a clear idea as to the kind of forum they want and so I expect there to be a lot less mud slinging going forward.

no worries, I am fed up with it all now anyway.

tried the Judean's Peoples Front, then the Popular Front of Judea....all websites of this nature are doomed to failure, it's inevitable & I have said it before.

fook me, where now ??

nowhere actually

, I am getting tired of virtual posting, Pluto's right, we all need to put our hand bags down & start reading/learning/understanding more (& less posting for me).

enrieb

Dec 18 2009, 12:29 PM

The pleasant tolerant atmosphere on GEI has defiantly returned since the exodus. I just hope that we can now recognise the problem for what it was and implement some guidelines and basic posting rules to stop the site from being trolled, without the usual 'your a nazi trying to control me' type comments from those who wish to shut down debate.

I think that Pixil8r will do well on the new forum, I can see what he is trying to do and I think there can be a friendly cross over between both sites. But even Pix has now recognised the need for some basic rules for posting standards, and the need to edit threads, keep thread on topic and delete offensive comments. Funny when people suggested that here they were labeled control freaks, nazis, dictators etc.. It would be good to hear Pixil8r input and the lessons he has learnt, the posting standard that Pixil8r is applying would be good to see at GEI.

GEI was a party/investor meeting that was taking place on DrBubbs property, it was a good place open to all, but eventually a few trolls crashed the party and lowered the standards and when people complained about their behaviour, it was claimed that the problem was that the older posters were intolerant towards free speech and that it was the older posters calling for standards that were the problem. So many of the older posters left.

Eventually the only active posters were the trolls who had no one else left to blame for the state of the forum so they decided to blame the host DrBubb, this is an untenable position to hold for any period of time and I almost expected DrBubb to pull the plug on the whole site. Fortunately Pixil8r led an exodus to a new forum and is now encountering all the old problems that we used to have here. It seems the trolls are now turning on him, I just hope they don't all come crawling back here. But if they do then we should put some posting standards in place to prevent things going back to how they were.

Trolling leaves a site feeling paranoid, and sometimes this will make posters suspicious towards new posters and treat them harshly, there is nothing wrong with being a gold bug ( I am one myself) but trolling and abusive posting and spaming should not be tolerated.