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[sylvester]

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Hi Everyone,

Sorry, been at work all day and no access to internet (and might have been out on the beers last night). It's become very difficult to mod recently and I'd have swung the banning sword quite widely (and wildly) recently if this has been my site. But it's not and I don't want to cause any harm to the good work DrBubb et al. have done.

As mods we do 'work' here for free and do our best to help the forum. We don't have any easy way of chatting to each other about a questionable post in real time as we all live in different time zones. So we basically have to wing it and act alone, hoping we don't go too far or are too lenient in each circumstance.

However, the level of frustration is now so high amoungst sop many posters I will be acting differently.

From now on if I see any posts that are over the line (and you all know where the line is) I will suspend that members posting privileges until DrBubb returns and 'decriminalises them' if he chooses to. Other mods, please do also feel free to un-ban people and I'll bow to your judgement without any bad feelings.

I will ban and not answer questions about why someone was banned nor hear any arguments in their favour.

Those many of you with the brilliant, insightful, witty posts, please continue to post without fear and make sure you do not rise to the bait if provoked.

The minute you see a disrespectful post, hit the report button and I'll get onto it.

Sylvester

[chris ct]

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Hi Everyone,

The minute you see a disrespectful post, hit the report button and I'll get onto it.

Sylvester

Thanks, the work of the mods is appreciated. It's an unenviable and thankless task [/brownnoseoff]

[Indium]

Is there a clear set of rules?

If people are banned for having a 'strong opinion' or indeed getting heated and emotional in their discussion then that will detract from the site. Indeed it's in these exchanges that I get to see a better insight into a persons opinion. If this borders censorship then that's fine, I'll just find somewhere else to spend my breaks and lunch time. I can really see parallels between HPC and what's going here right now!

Racist, foul mouth, trolling or just plain rude I can understand. I don't want to see that stuff either.

edited due to poor english grammar

[chazza]

Those many of you with the brilliant, insightful, witty posts, please continue to post without fear and make sure you do not rise to the bait if provoked.

Will do  

[lowrentyieldmakessense(honest!)]

Is there a clear set of rules?

dont shatter illusions

[Methinkshe]

Is there a clear set of rules?

If people are banned for having a 'strong opinion' or indeed getting heated and emotional in their discussion then that will detract from the site. Indeed it's in these exchanges that I get to see a better insight into a persons opinion. If this borders censorship then that's fine, I'll just find somewhere else to spend my breaks and lunch time. I can really see parallels between HPC and what's going here right now!

Racist, foul mouth, trolling or just plain rude I can understand. I don't want to see that stuff either.

edited due to poor english grammar

I'm not sure that rules are required so much as manners.  In the words of Edmund Burke:-


“Manners are of more importance than laws... Manners are what vex or soothe, corrupt or purify, exalt or debase, barbarize or refine us, by a constant, steady, uniform, insensible operation, like that of the air we breathe in.”

Edited to add:

More importantly, manners are self-adopted, rules are imposed.

The minute we seek rules, we are requesting to be controlled by exterior powers and averring that we are incapable of any form of self-regulation - the hall mark of the enslaved.

[No6]

I suggest we adopt the rules of the David Icke forum, they seem perfectly reasonable to me.  Icke is a big believer in fighting for freedom and democracy (well, that's what he says).

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The David Icke forums have become a focus for lively debate, insights and information and I hope you enjoy your stay.

best wishes,

David

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[double-agent]

I'm not sure that rules are required so much as manners.  In the words of Edmund Burke:-


“Manners are of more importance than laws... Manners are what vex or soothe, corrupt or purify, exalt or debase, barbarize or refine us, by a constant, steady, uniform, insensible operation, like that of the air we breathe in.”

Edited to add:

More importantly, manners are self-adopted, rules are imposed.

The minute we seek rules, we are requesting to be controlled by exterior powers and averring that we are incapable of any form of self-regulation - the hall mark of the enslaved.

i totally agree with this

the manners displayed by certain posters lately have been poor.

however, whenever we get these levels of market volatility, this seems to be a repeating pattern

[littledavesab]

Agree with No6 also

abbreviated to save space but agree 100%  with 100%


catflap and harvipark  amoungst others are very useful members of GEI and shouldnt be allowed to leave

Maybe if certain people are causing constant trouble a longer ban is in order.

GOM I seem to remember a while ago stated he had made his last post here ?

& Goldfinger - you were exactly right to start your longer term gold thread.   The monthly gold thread seems to be a cause of irritation between certain posters.   Likewise the hyperinflation thread also seems to cause disputes.   In all seriousness - what are these threads good for?     If the idea of trading gold annoys you (you is the person reading this, not Goldfinger) stay away  - likewise to sensible GEI posters consider those threads to have a health warning.

If we are adults we should be capable of having sensible discussions without getting upset.  We should be able to trade opinions not insults.   We should be able to accept a little ribbing while refraining from upsetting others ?

[LauraB]

Is there a clear set of rules?

Of course.

Rigidly defined areas of doubt & uncertainty, according to one Douglas Adams

[harvipark]

I suggest we adopt the rules of the David Icke forum, they seem perfectly reasonable to me.  Icke is a big believer in fighting for freedom and democracy (well, that's what he says).

No problem here with those rules

[sylvester]

No problem here with those rules

I quite liked those rules but it will be up to DrBubb whether he wants to implement them or not.  Until then, posting with good manners (as methinkshe points out) is the best guide I can give.  And I certainly won't ban anyone with contrary or strong opinions that may get emotional on a subject.  That's what makes threads (even more) interesting.

[bigtbigt]

Copied from another thread for maximum effect:

Hi Everyone,

Sorry, been at work all day and no access to internet (and might have been out on the beers last night). It's become very difficult to mod recently and I'd have swung the banning sword quite widely (and wildly) recently if this has been my site. But it's not and I don't want to cause any harm to the good work DrBubb et al. have done.

As mods we do 'work' here for free and do our best to help the forum. We don't have any easy way of chatting to each other about a questionable post in real time as we all live in different time zones. So we basically have to wing it and act alone, hoping we don't go too far or are too lenient in each circumstance.

However, the level of frustration is now so high amoungst sop many posters I will be acting differently.

From now on if I see any posts that are over the line (and you all know where the line is) I will suspend that members posting privileges until DrBubb returns and 'decriminalises them' if he chooses to. Other mods, please do also feel free to un-ban people and I'll bow to your judgement without any bad feelings.

I will ban and not answer questions about why someone was banned nor hear any arguments in their favour.

Those many of you with the brilliant, insightful, witty posts, please continue to post without fear and make sure you do not rise to the bait if provoked.

The minute you see a disrespectful post, hit the report button and I'll get onto it.

Sylvester

Hi
Your mod efforts are appreciated
But your latest approach is not moderation, it is police state authoritarianism.
Moderation is very hard because it requires time, attention, and balanced judgement. So the job excludes imposing authoritarian decisions. If you're instead resorting to the latter, then I respectfully suggest you consider whether you should step down from being a mod until you have more time, patience, and respect for other's rights.

[sylvester]

Hi
Your mod efforts are appreciated
But your latest approach is not moderation, it is police state authoritarianism.
Moderation is very hard because it requires time, attention, and balanced judgement. So the job excludes imposing authoritarian decisions. If you're instead resorting to the latter, then I respectfully suggest you consider whether you should step down from being a mod until you have more time, patience, and respect for other's rights.

I respectfully disagree.  I will be using my patience, attention, and balanced judgement and if I find a post lacking then I will issue the suspension.  I have not lost my head nor decided to ban everyone that has an opinion that I disagree with, I have decided to enforce manners on this forum by a threat of suspension.  I really hope I don't have to ban anyone but I will if the current nastiness / trolling / abuse / bullying continues.

Best regards
Sylvester

[carbon junkie]

I will ban and not answer questions about why someone was banned nor hear any arguments in their favour.

I think you should re-think that one, seems completely unreasonable and as far removed from "moderation" as you can get.

[fitkid]

I think you should re-think that one, seems completely unreasonable and as far removed from "moderation" as you can get.

I see you still have'nt given up yet CJ trying to get an understanding of where the goal posts are.
Wasting your time i personally feel.
Its ok for other posters to start there own voting polls on voting off fellow members that seems acceptable,EVEN THOUGH IT WAS A COMPLETE FAILURE 12 votes.     
Thats about what the thread was worth.
PATHETIC ATTEMPT by what can be clearly seen by all who can be bothered to read the utter tosh being spawned,that the Plaintiff is actually the worst TROLL on the forum.

I think freedom of expression has been clearly lost.
Do people realise there is an ignore feature on the forum.
WHAT IS THE REAL AGENDA OF POSTERS WHO CONTINUALLY VENOMOUSLY CALL FOR THE BANNING OF OTHER POSTERS.??
All who want to contribute to a public forum should be allowed to do so,those constantly calling for banning should be rigorously scrutinised for their real agenda and motivations.!!

[carbon junkie]

I see you still have'nt given up yet CJ trying to get an understanding of where the goal posts are.
Wasting your time i personally feel.

Yes and I have to say I am even more confused than before.

Some of the language of respected posters over the last few days has been outrageous and yet here they are getting hugs and kisses all around.

Taken a bit of a roasting in the pms market this week but can still rise above it all easy come easy go.

[Catflap]

Its ok for other posters to start there own voting polls on voting off fellow members that seems acceptable,EVEN THOUGH IT WAS A COMPLETE FAILURE 12 votes.     
Thats about what the thread was worth.
PATHETIC ATTEMPT by what can be clearly seen by all who can be bothered to read the utter tosh being spawned,that the Plaintiff is actually the worst TROLL on the forum.

A complete failure, really?

I didn't vote but it seems that 50% of those people want you banned - add my vote and it's a majority. That's pretty impressive considering the only people hanging about on GEI these days seem to be gold nutters and the the mod that saved you from futher humiliation was himself a ..... well he likes gold a lot.

Anyway, I'm sure had the poll been left up it would have been something like 80% to 90% that would have wanted you to feck off. We didn't get a chance to PM the good posters that you've recently driven away - GOM would probably been voted off, but by a smaller margin I think, say 55%.

Anyway if you take time to read the comments THE VAST MAJORITY OF GEI MEMBERS DON'T WANT YOU HERE, OK?

Go find yourself a new forum to troll.

[G0ldfinger]

Catflap, fitkid: I have disabled you guys for a day.

[bigtbigt]

Is there a place on GEI (or should there be) where all registered posters are listed, with some function that would allow others to award them a star or a bad mark. That way, we could all watch the tallys changing with time, and the mods would have a democratic measure of who (if anyone) is really pi55ing everyone else off and ruining GEI.