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#121 enrieb

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 01:34 PM

QUOTE (DrBubb @ Feb 8 2010, 11:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Okay.
Here's what i want to see (after reading this thread):

ZERO or Low tolerance for these four: Swampy, Carbon Junkie, GOM and Fitkid
(I know Swamp is gone)
They are now on a Watch List. And will get 24hour to 1week suspensions, whenever the Mods here choose.

And a bit more leniency for the others that step over the line from time to time.

I will start a new thread - to go into the "ABOUT GEI" section, to see if we need to add anyone to the Watch List
from time to time.

I certainly do not think Catflap belongs on the Watch List



Good solid decision, I will try to suggest some other constructive ideas later.

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 03:00 PM

I think the zero- list is a little one sided. I will have my own zero-list in place as well.
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#123 Catflap

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 03:02 PM

QUOTE (G0ldfinger @ Feb 8 2010, 09:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
With all due respect, but I think there are more suitable candidates.

Someone was complaining about autocratic mods. Just wait for the rule of catflap. ohmy.gif



QUOTE (G0ldfinger @ Feb 8 2010, 10:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I will leave GEI for good if catflap becomes a mod.

He is not even able to keep his cool when things heat up a bit.


That's rich coming from someone that was one of the biggest trolls on HPC back in the day. You were one of the reasons why the site went downhill because you tried to turn every thread into a gold one when the site was about house prices and the economy.

You were eventually banned from HPC along with Cagno so decided to start posting on GEI - talk about letting the fox look after the chickens. No wonder your moderation of fellow gold posters fitkid and GOM has been lacking - your reference to Swampy in you signature also shows lack of respect to DrBubb after the carnage that guy left.

The same goes to GOM - constant references to Swampy are like giving DrBubb a poke in the eye. You don't do it.


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Posted 08 February 2010 - 03:14 PM

QUOTE (Catflap @ Feb 8 2010, 03:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's rich coming from someone that was one of the biggest trolls on HPC back in the day. You were one of the reasons why the site went downhill because you tried to turn every thread into a gold one when the site was about house prices and the economy.

You were eventually banned from HPC along with Cagno so decided to start posting on GEI - talk about letting the fox look after the chickens. No wonder your moderation of fellow gold posters fitkid and GOM has been lacking - your reference to Swampy in you signature also shows lack of respect to DrBubb after the carnage that guy left.

The same goes to GOM - constant references to Swampy are like giving DrBubb a poke in the eye. You don't do it.



Catflap,

I would make this your last post on this sad matter and leave it on a "high". You have made your points succintly in this, and many other posts, and personally I can't help but feel like you are lowering your own standards. You have massive support here, so you don't need to defend yourself anymore. Rise above it. We agree with you so you don't need to justify anything else.

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#125 DrBubb

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 03:21 PM

QUOTE (G0ldfinger @ Feb 8 2010, 11:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the zero- list is a little one sided. I will have my own zero-list in place as well.


Maybe you can share your candidates on the other thread

The names that I cited come up often, so I was relying on various messages and postings that I have seen about
who is disruptive.

I thought GOM was making an effort, but I have not seen his offending post
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Posted 08 February 2010 - 03:26 PM

QUOTE (ecoface @ Feb 8 2010, 11:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Catflap,

I would make this your last post on this sad matter and leave it on a "high". You have made your points succintly in this, and many other posts, and personally I can't help but feel like you are lowering your own standards. You have massive support here, so you don't need to defend yourself anymore. Rise above it. We agree with you so you don't need to justify anything else.


CF,
You have had you say there. And I think ecoface is right.
Why not leave it at that. I cannot see any point in getting into a spat now with GF.
I value the postings of both of you, and do not want to be choosing between you too.

If matters were reversed, and you were a Mod, and he was not, I would take exactly the same action.

Why cannot you two just get back to posting normally?

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 03:45 PM

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I haven't said a word have I ??
I haven't posted one reply on this or the others of this 'ilk' purposely to show people that I am certainly not a troll nor am I a 'bad' poster. I have never sworn at anyone privately or publicly, yet catflap swore several times at me & I still didn't respond in kind.

I even asked GF not to suspend wotwotril.......

I think I haven't put a foot out of place have I ? smile.gif


Yep you are a little angel arent you. So lets see GOM do his poor innocent soul act once again eh?????

Spare us all, as we have seen it before!

In case you memory really *is* that bad, this whole latest sh*tstorm was started by you........Yes YOU!!!

This is the result of your baiting of RH which got you and Carbon Junkie banned in case you havent realised that!!!! I havent seen neither you or CJ apologise to RH or show any remorse?....why??

We have also already had the tearful farewell speech as No6 points out, but for some strange reason you are still here?

The whole forum has had enough of you lot, and its now time to take the not so subtle hint and leave the forum....got it?

Catflap has my vote along with Enrieb

My take on all this is that some of us have stuck our necks out to get this problem resolved once and for all, and if we back away now it will be a lost opportunity that will only have to be revisited at a later date.

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#128 aliveandkicking

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 03:46 PM

I dont know Catflaps posts but i tend to agree with him here

Goldfinger is fond of calling posters a troll and it appears this arises because of the religious differences as highlighted by Catflap.

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 03:52 PM

QUOTE (aliveandkicking @ Feb 8 2010, 03:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I dont know Catflaps posts but i tend to agree with him here

Goldfinger is fond of calling posters a troll and it appears this arises because of the religious differences as highlighted by Catflap.


at times like this it's important to retain facts and therefore, there has been a lot of 'troll' calling (rightly or wrongly) from many posters not just GF

It you want specific details go and read the threads as I am not going to single out anybody but neither should you single out GF in particular for this specific act.

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 03:57 PM

QUOTE (double-agent @ Feb 9 2010, 03:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
at times like this it's important to retain facts and therefore, there has been a lot of 'troll' calling (rightly or wrongly) from many posters not just GF

It you want specific details go and read the threads as I am not going to single out anybody but neither should you single out GF in particular for this specific act.


But you have the same religion from what i have heard so far and so we get into this predictable 'defence of the few' game.

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 04:03 PM

QUOTE (aliveandkicking @ Feb 8 2010, 03:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But you have the same religion from what i have heard so far and so we get into this predictable 'defence of the few' game.


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nice mud-slinging there

my objective = to help reach a solution to this current impasse for the better of this site and try and refrain from 'stirring it up'

i tell you what, why don't you dig out the original 'letting-off steam' thread by Dr. Bubb, I seem to recall we had some exchanges there on the subject of manners, aggressive posting and abusive language

i'll find it if you want.......


#132 DrBubb

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 04:06 PM

I just had a PM from someone who is considering leaving GEI... at least for a while.

In part, he says:
"I will be pleased to return if/when I see a sensible balance: a very firm hand with very extreme offences, a very light touch with absolutely everything else."

I think this sums up what everyone wants.

We need to do a better job of defining what are "extreme offenses." Some of the infractions that have got people suspended seem rather minor to me. But where that has been met with a 24 hour suspension, I think "so what", since that is such a short period, and brings a short cooling off, which may be a good thing.

What everyone needs to keep in mind is that no one is perfect. That includes me, and it includes our voluntary moderators too. I was the very first person to be suspended for 24 hours. I wanted to see how it felt. In truth, it is not a big deal. So if it happens, try to treat ot that way, even if you feel it was unfair.

If you feel that you really have been abused, then send me an email (if you can find my email address on Google), or send me a PM on HPC (where I try to post at least once per week, if not more.)
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#133 enrieb

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 04:36 PM

I would like to suggest that this thread and all other matters about moderator policy, trolling etc... be moved to 'About GEI' That way arguments will not be conducted in full public view and those who do not wish to be involved in them will not have to read through these matters. This way only people who are genuinely interested in the way the board is run can will contribute and it will starve attention from posts that are there to disrupt and create divisions.

Moderators were wise to move the 'Explanation for the banning of GOM and CARBON JUNKIE, RH please address this mind boggling anamoly?????' thread to the fringe, it was a thread made purely to bait other members. I would like to suggest that comments and discussions about moderators past and present decisions and and troll accusations should also remain the 'About GEI' section. One of the most disruptive things we have seen over the past year is threads, like the Gold Thread, become infested with all sorts of negative side swipes against other posters.

I would be very sad to see Bigtbigt leave the forum and hope that he has chance to reconsider and if he does leave he would be welcome back anytime. I would also be disappointed to see Catflap leave and I hope he can step back and realise that Goldfinger is not an enemy, he just did the best he could in the circumstances given.

The mute/suspension function should be seen as a tool for 'damage limitation' rather than a punishment or judgement on an individual. They help prevent minor incidents from escalating and give the suspended individual the chance to cool down before they post something in the heat of the moment that they may regret.

These threads below could also be moved to About GEI, they will give posters the chance to find out what has gone on over the past year and realise why board members have reached a consensus on these matters.

Freespeech, cdswamp, and commercialisation, suspension vs. more tolerance of abuse here

http://www.greenener...?showtopic=5526

Does GEI need a Governing Council? Or new mods?, A democratic structure? Or just clear guidelines?

http://www.greenener...?showtopic=7902

GEI code of conduct for posters, what is acceptable, what is not acceptable.

http://www.greenener...?showtopic=7891

Complaints, Flames, OTT Postings - Collect 'em here, "Let loose ...complain about something"

http://www.greenener...?showtopic=8164

GEI's Reign of Terror - Tigger-happy Mods takeover, I'm frigging tired of receiving these Emails

http://www.greenener...?showtopic=8262

Is GEI being formally attacked by an enemy?, What are the options for survival?

http://www.greenener.......c=7938&st=0

THIS IS A CIVILISED INVESTMENT FORUM, And that is the way it is going to stay

http://www.greenener...?showtopic=7905

Inviting back... certain GEI posters, Show them the support they have (or dont have) here

http://www.greenener...?showtopic=8248

Invitation only sub-forum(s) - any takers?, To improve S/N and concentrate on what matters

http://www.greenener.......&hl=halcyon

Freespeech on GEI / Where did cdswamp go?, Poll : Do we want CDS back? When? After what?

http://www.greenener...?showtopic=7905

Suggestions from loyal GEI-ers about the site's direction, Do you miss the FOPPs?

http://www.greenener...?showtopic=8883

Edit: I Would also like to add that posters make an effort not to use words that can be read as swear words, starring out the letters is not really an effective method of making it harmless, because the onus of accurate communication should be on the person making the post and should be on them to remove any ambiguity. Thankyou.

#134 DrBubb

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 05:20 PM

Agreed. Another good idea from you, Enreib.

I will plan to do that tomorrow. (If someone else doesnt get to it first)

But it is now 1:20am. And I need some sleep
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#135 sirjackknight

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 08:17 PM

i think it would be a crying shame if an answer cant be had to the issues in this thread, i have not found another forum with the same quality of threads as here.

what about a thunder dome thread? a no holes barred slagging off thread in the members only section, any thread that turns into a shouting match could be moved there by the mods. that way people wont feel like they may get banned for having an off day and the rest of us could just go about our business quietly and courteously.

or we could hold a monthly bare knuckle fighting competition? i would be happy to provide the half time oranges laugh.gif



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Posted 08 February 2010 - 09:31 PM

QUOTE (aliveandkicking @ Feb 8 2010, 03:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But you have the same religion from what i have heard so far and so we get into this predictable 'defence of the few' game.

You're no angel either, my friend.
You can't tax deflation.
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#137 wottwotril

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Posted 08 February 2010 - 09:39 PM

[quote name='sirjackknight' date='Feb 8 2010, 03:17 PM' post='156216']
i think it would be a crying shame if an answer cant be had to the issues in this thread, i have not found another forum with the same quality of threads as here.


Well said that man rolleyes.gif

#138 Steve Netwriter

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 12:29 AM


From:

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Oh, and....


From:

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#139 DrBubb

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Posted 09 February 2010 - 12:35 AM

Hi Steve.

Nice to see you here.
I havent seen your posts for a while. Hope all is well for you

I am about to implement E's suggestion and move those threads to the "About GEI" section
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Posted 09 February 2010 - 12:51 AM

QUOTE (DrBubb @ Feb 9 2010, 01:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi Steve.

Nice to see you here.
I havent seen your posts for a while. Hope all is well for you

I am about to implement E's suggestion and move those threads to the "About GEI" section


Hi DrBubb,
Hardly time to breath these days sad.gif
I visited because of some of the email complaints.

I certainly don't have time to participate in the "social side" of what appears to have been occurring.
It would be good if the MAIN topic was the purpose of your forum, and not all this bickering !

If anyone wants to chat about kayaking start a thread and flick me a PM biggrin.gif


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