Suggestions from loyal GEI-ers about the site's direction, Do you miss the FOPPs? Options

[DrBubb]

Yes they are. Not surprisingly it revolved around Swampy.
So far as I could tell, he was misrepresenting Pixel and (whether delibrately or not) making him out to be inept and untruthful.
. . .
To be fair, I think Pixel is trying hard to create the kind of site he wants and why not. Swampy is clearly a bright guy but his ego is massive and wherever he seems to post the site inevitably ends up being about him. He shoud set his own place up rather than slating the sites of others.

LOL. I shouldnt laugh, but somehow it is all so predictable.
And there's a certain irony to it, since many seem to think we treated the Swamp-man unfairly,
when in fact, we tried so hard to get him to stay and behave.

GOM I know you disagree with this, but I feel strongly that the site owner has every right to run his forum as he wants it. Clearly if he becomes trigger happy he will lose posters but equally inertia is no answer.
It's a shame in one sense that a new site has had to come about, but I think it will work well. Both owners have a clear idea as to the kind of forum they want and so I expect there to be a lot less mud slinging going forward.

I wish Pixel well, so long as he doesnt come fishing here too often. He definitely made some worthwhile
contributions here, and I will miss that.

If his site is really something different than people can choose what they are looking for, and the posters
will build the sort of discussions that they find most worthwhile. There are probably many types of discussions
which will work here, that would not work there - and vice versa.

[DrBubb]

As I wrote, something went nuclear. Hence, not many traces of it:
http://www.24knews.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=125

Ziknik's welcome here.
I forgot why he left

[No6]

Yes they are. Not surprisingly it revolved around Swampy.
So far as I could tell, he was misrepresenting Pixel and (whether delibrately or not) making him out to be inept and untruthful.
Whatever.
To be fair, I think Pixel is trying hard to create the kind of site he wants and why not. Swampy is clearly a bright guy but his ego is massive and wherever he seems to post the site inevitably ends up being about him. He shoud set his own place up rather than slating the sites of others.
GOM I know you disagree with this, but I feel strongly that the site owner has every right to run his forum as he wants it. Clearly if he becomes trigger happy he will lose posters but equally inertia is no answer.
It's a shame in one sense that a new site has had to come about, but I think it will work well. Both owners have a clear idea as to the kind of forum they want and so I expect there to be a lot less mud slinging going forward.

I think Swampy would be best suited to having his own blog. Perhaps he already has one, but in a different name?

[AJC]

Ziknik's welcome here.
I forgot why he left

The same reason he left 24knews: deletion of thread(s).

[riggerbeautz]

I enjoy some images of JS as a Piper, but I think it fits his behaviour so very well.

Beyond that, I do feel like some of the mud thrown in my direction needed to be returned.
(Such a return fits a deeply ingrained sense of symmetry and fairness that is built into me.)

I actually thought some mild teasing involving Sinclair's image and role, would be less devisive than
picking on individual FOPPs. (GOM's an exception, he likes his role as a sort of court jester, and mixer-upper
here. And I nearly always find him more amusing than abrasive. But if he throws eggs, he needs the odd
egg or mud in return - or he may morph into something worse.)

Humour and banter is one thing and I like GOM, just wish he'd call truce sometimes.

GOM you just don't seem to appreciate not everyone has a rhino hide.

There are far worse though who are never content to debate/educate by thoughtful response, instead merely seem to want to score points for self esteem rather than encourage greater awareness of markets, society or the elites that would happily control humble ignoramuses like me.

Shame we can't accept there is always a different point of view, as only a fool considers one side of an argument. Something from lurking on the new site they happily recognised and wanted. Beats me why some would harass to the point of submission an alternative view.

[G0ldfinger]

And there's a certain irony to it, since many seem to think we treated the Swamp-man unfairly,
when in fact, we tried so hard to get him to stay and behave.

Swampy collects forum bans like other peoples collect stamps or gold coins.

[grumpy-old-man]

GOM, believe me, if you were a site owner you would either run exactly into the same problems (and would be "shocked" about yourself ), or you would not interfer at all, until the police (or someone) would have to do it for you.

I have been asked to mod on several sites & with my background in IT wouldn't find it a problem, but never have. I could very easily set up a website myself (& indeed was asked to do so , but said no).

If you remember I commented on this very site that all websites are doomed to fail eventually unless it's completely subscription based imo.

[grumpy-old-man]

Humour and banter is one thing and I like GOM, just wish he'd call truce sometimes.

GOM you just don't seem to appreciate not everyone has a rhino hide.

There are far worse though who are never content to debate/educate by thoughtful response, instead merely seem to want to score points for self esteem rather than encourage greater awareness of markets, society or the elites that would happily control humble ignoramuses like me.

Shame we can't accept there is always a different point of view, as only a fool considers one side of an argument. Something from lurking on the new site they happily recognised and wanted. Beats me why some would harass to the point of submission an alternative view.

fair comments....

[grumpy-old-man]

Yes they are. Not surprisingly it revolved around Swampy.
So far as I could tell, he was misrepresenting Pixel and (whether delibrately or not) making him out to be inept and untruthful.
Whatever.
To be fair, I think Pixel is trying hard to create the kind of site he wants and why not. Swampy is clearly a bright guy but his ego is massive and wherever he seems to post the site inevitably ends up being about him. He shoud set his own place up rather than slating the sites of others.
GOM I know you disagree with this, but I feel strongly that the site owner has every right to run his forum as he wants it. Clearly if he becomes trigger happy he will lose posters but equally inertia is no answer.
It's a shame in one sense that a new site has had to come about, but I think it will work well. Both owners have a clear idea as to the kind of forum they want and so I expect there to be a lot less mud slinging going forward.

no worries, I am fed up with it all now anyway.

tried the Judean's Peoples Front, then the Popular Front of Judea....all websites of this nature are doomed to failure, it's inevitable & I have said it before.

fook me, where now ??

nowhere actually , I am getting tired of virtual posting, Pluto's right, we all need to put our hand bags down & start reading/learning/understanding more (& less posting for me).

[enrieb]

The pleasant tolerant atmosphere on GEI has defiantly returned since the exodus. I just hope that we can now recognise the problem for what it was and implement some guidelines and basic posting rules to stop the site from being trolled, without the usual 'your a nazi trying to control me' type comments from those who wish to shut down debate.

I think that Pixil8r will do well on the new forum, I can see what he is trying to do and I think there can be a friendly cross over between both sites. But even Pix has now recognised the need for some basic rules for posting standards, and the need to edit threads, keep thread on topic and delete offensive comments. Funny when people suggested that here they were labeled control freaks, nazis, dictators etc.. It would be good to hear Pixil8r input and the lessons he has learnt, the posting standard that Pixil8r is applying would be good to see at GEI.

GEI was a party/investor meeting that was taking place on DrBubbs property, it was a good place open to all, but eventually a few trolls crashed the party and lowered the standards and when people complained about their behaviour, it was claimed that the problem was that the older posters were intolerant towards free speech and that it was the older posters calling for standards that were the problem. So many of the older posters left.

Eventually the only active posters were the trolls who had no one else left to blame for the state of the forum so they decided to blame the host DrBubb, this is an untenable position to hold for any period of time and I almost expected DrBubb to pull the plug on the whole site. Fortunately Pixil8r led an exodus to a new forum and is now encountering all the old problems that we used to have here. It seems the trolls are now turning on him, I just hope they don't all come crawling back here. But if they do then we should put some posting standards in place to prevent things going back to how they were.

Trolling leaves a site feeling paranoid, and sometimes this will make posters suspicious towards new posters and treat them harshly, there is nothing wrong with being a gold bug ( I am one myself) but trolling and abusive posting and spaming should not be tolerated.

[harvipark]

The pleasant tolerant atmosphere on GEI has defiantly returned since the exodus. I just hope that we can now recognise the problem for what it was and implement some guidelines and basic posting rules to stop the site from being trolled, without the usual 'your a nazi trying to control me' type comments from those who wish to shut down debate.

I think that Pixil8r will do well on the new forum, I can see what he is trying to do and I think there can be a friendly cross over between both sites. But even Pix has now recognised the need for some basic rules for posting standards, and the need to edit threads, keep thread on topic and delete offensive comments. Funny when people suggested that here they were labeled control freaks, nazis, dictators etc.. It would be good to hear Pixil8r input and the lessons he has learnt, the posting standard that Pixil8r is applying would be good to see at GEI.

GEI was a party/investor meeting that was taking place on DrBubbs property, it was a good place open to all, but eventually a few trolls crashed the party and lowered the standards and when people complained about their behaviour, it was claimed that the problem was that the older posters were intolerant towards free speech and that it was the older posters calling for standards that were the problem. So many of the older posters left.

Eventually the only active posters were the trolls who had no one else left to blame for the state of the forum so they decided to blame the host DrBubb, this is an untenable position to hold for any period of time and I almost expected DrBubb to pull the plug on the whole site. Fortunately Pixil8r led an exodus to a new forum and is now encountering all the old problems that we used to have here. It seems the trolls are now turning on him, I just hope they don't all come crawling back here. But if they do then we should put some posting standards in place to prevent things going back to how they were.

Trolling leaves a site feeling paranoid, and sometimes this will make posters suspicious towards new posters and treat them harshly, there is nothing wrong with being a gold bug ( I am one myself) but trolling and abusive posting and spaming should not be tolerated.

Good post enrieb and bang on

Amazing how this place instantly changed as soon as 24k was set up?

The problem always was swampy. In many ways a take my hat off to him on his ability to manipulate a large group of people into doing his dirty work.

Its just a shame that this group of people do not have the ability to step back and see when they are being manipulated

[grumpy-old-man]

The pleasant tolerant atmosphere on GEI has defiantly returned since the exodus. I just hope that we can now recognise the problem for what it was and implement some guidelines and basic posting rules to stop the site from being trolled, without the usual 'your a nazi trying to control me' type comments from those who wish to shut down debate.

I think that Pixil8r will do well on the new forum, I can see what he is trying to do and I think there can be a friendly cross over between both sites. But even Pix has now recognised the need for some basic rules for posting standards, and the need to edit threads, keep thread on topic and delete offensive comments. Funny when people suggested that here they were labeled control freaks, nazis, dictators etc.. It would be good to hear Pixil8r input and the lessons he has learnt, the posting standard that Pixil8r is applying would be good to see at GEI.

GEI was a party/investor meeting that was taking place on DrBubbs property, it was a good place open to all, but eventually a few trolls crashed the party and lowered the standards and when people complained about their behaviour, it was claimed that the problem was that the older posters were intolerant towards free speech and that it was the older posters calling for standards that were the problem. So many of the older posters left.

Eventually the only active posters were the trolls who had no one else left to blame for the state of the forum so they decided to blame the host DrBubb, this is an untenable position to hold for any period of time and I almost expected DrBubb to pull the plug on the whole site. Fortunately Pixil8r led an exodus to a new forum and is now encountering all the old problems that we used to have here. It seems the trolls are now turning on him, I just hope they don't all come crawling back here. But if they do then we should put some posting standards in place to prevent things going back to how they were.

Trolling leaves a site feeling paranoid, and sometimes this will make posters suspicious towards new posters and treat them harshly, there is nothing wrong with being a gold bug ( I am one myself) but trolling and abusive posting and spaming should not be tolerated.

trolls......

was that really the right word to use enrieb ? surprising coming from you tbh.

so who are you labelling as a troll then ?

as lowrent would say: absolute power corrupts, absolutely.

I do however agree that limits need to be agreed otherwise we wouldn't be humans. Deciding the level has always been history's great problem....yes ?

[grumpy-old-man]

Good post enrieb and bang on

Amazing how this place instantly changed as soon as 24k was set up?

The problem always was swampy. In many ways a take my hat off to him on his ability to manipulate a large group of people into doing his dirty work.

Its just a shame that this group of people do not have the ability to step back and see when they are being manipulated

far from it, he leads by example imo......is it wrong to argue & discuss ??

I think he is a very, very genuine & trustworthy guy, but then I have had lot's of private email exchanges with him so also see a different side. I trust him more than most real life people & yet we have never met. I am a very good judge of people imho.

Just think on this, if someone you weren't sure about as a poster suddenly told you he had the same hobby as you, would you still have the same opinion? or would it soften you just slightly & make your next response to a post slightly different perhaps. Apply the same logic to investment strategies......

that first day/week in the office is the most important one remember, it can make or break you. What's worse someone with an opinion or someone without one ?

Just to clarify, we don't have the same hobbies at all.

[grumpy-old-man]

just remember who started the 'Gold bugs clawing at the sky' thread.....

was there a 'Fiat clawing at the sky' thread before it.......NO.

so then ask yourself, why posters & site owners who dislike arguing & mocking, put a thread together like that, then change the title & change it back, denying it had ever changed....


now tell me again....


who do YOU trust ??


I know who I trust.

[harvipark]

far from it, he leads by example imo......is it wrong to argue & discuss ??

I think he is a very, very genuine & trustworthy guy, but then I have had lot's of private email exchanges with him so also see a different side. I trust him more than most real life people & yet we have never met. I am a very good judge of people imho.

Just think on this, if someone you weren't sure about as a poster suddenly told you he had the same hobby as you, would you still have the same opinion? or would it soften you just slightly & make your next response to a post slightly different perhaps. Apply the same logic to investment strategies......

that first day/week in the office is the most important one remember, it can make or break you. What's worse someone with an opinion or someone without one ?

Just to clarify, we don't have the same hobbies at all.

Apologies GOM i cant give you a decent reply...just on my way out

In short, he is playing you like an old fiddle mate and you just cant see it.

You have backed him to the hilt and he has repeatedly made you look a complete idiot by trashing this forum one evening (remember Leslie Phillips?)

Not the kind of friend that i would choose if i am honest

[grumpy-old-man]

Apologies GOM i cant give you a decent reply...just on my way out

In short, he is playing you like an old fiddle mate and you just cant see it.

You have backed him to the hilt and he has repeatedly made you look a complete idiot by trashing this forum one evening (remember Leslie Phillips?)

Not the kind of friend that i would choose if i am honest

no probs & no reply needed tbh. I think we have both said what we needed to.


ps - don't forget the chocolate & crisps (well it is Friday after all), otherwise Mrs havipark will be extremely annoyed with you.

[harvipark]

no probs & no reply needed tbh. I think we have both said what we needed to.


ps - don't forget the chocolate & crisps (well it is Friday after all), otherwise Mrs havipark will be extremely annoyed with you.

Not meant to offend, just trying to do you a favour and open your eyes but unfortunately you wont listen.

All the best

[grumpy-old-man]

Not meant to offend, just trying to do you a favour and open your eyes but unfortunately you wont listen.

All the best

yes I understood you no worries, I just don't agree.

[No6]

just remember who started the 'Gold bugs clawing at the sky' thread.....

was there a 'Fiat clawing at the sky' thread before it.......NO.

so then ask yourself, why posters & site owners who dislike arguing & mocking, put a thread together like that, then change the title & change it back, denying it had ever changed....


now tell me again....


who do YOU trust ??


I know who I trust.

Well, loads and loads of threads having a go at fiat in its many forms.

Here's just some

Sterling knocking on the gates of hell, (combined with the "Pound is Toast" thread)

http://www.greenenergyinvestors.com/index....dollar+collapse

Dollar may be done here - Be careful, The countdown to November 7th

http://www.greenenergyinvestors.com/index....dollar+collapse

The DOLLAR BUGS and general PAPER BUGS thread, Are there some nutters among us? Let's discuss.

http://www.greenenergyinvestors.com/index....dollar+collapse

New slide imminent for GBP?, H&S pattern and King's words of weakness

http://www.greenenergyinvestors.com/index....dollar+collapse

The demise of the dollar, Arab states to stop using the US currency for oil trading

http://www.greenenergyinvestors.com/index....dollar+collapse

Loads of them if you look, yet we get one thread have an itsy bitsy attack on the short term future of gold and wow it's WW3.

[grumpy-old-man]

Well, loads and loads of threads having a go at fiat in its many forms.

Here's just some

Sterling knocking on the gates of hell, (combined with the "Pound is Toast" thread)

http://www.greenenergyinvestors.com/index....dollar+collapse

Dollar may be done here - Be careful, The countdown to November 7th

http://www.greenenergyinvestors.com/index....dollar+collapse

The DOLLAR BUGS and general PAPER BUGS thread, Are there some nutters among us? Let's discuss.

http://www.greenenergyinvestors.com/index....dollar+collapse

New slide imminent for GBP?, H&S pattern and King's words of weakness

http://www.greenenergyinvestors.com/index....dollar+collapse

The demise of the dollar, Arab states to stop using the US currency for oil trading

http://www.greenenergyinvestors.com/index....dollar+collapse

Loads of them if you look, yet we get one thread have an itsy bitsy attack on the short term future of gold and wow it's WW3.

correct me if I am wrong, but the threads you quote are aimed at the asset not the investor ??

Bubbs thread was aimed at both in the title. Still didn't explain the changes & changed back, then deny it ever changed bit though......

like I said, I kniow who I trust.