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Poll: Should former posters be invited back? (54 member(s) have cast votes)

Please vote for those "old" posters who should be invited back (multiple choice)

  1. Romans Holiday (left voluntarily) (46 votes [40.71%])

    Percentage of vote: 40.71%

  2. Halcyon (left voluntarily) (43 votes [38.05%])

    Percentage of vote: 38.05%

  3. CDSwamp (banned) (17 votes [15.04%])

    Percentage of vote: 15.04%

  4. Other (please give name) (4 votes [3.54%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.54%

  5. No, I cannot think of anyone who should be invited to return to GEI (3 votes [2.65%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.65%

Please vote for those "old" posters who should NOT be invited back, at least not yet (multiple choice)

  1. Romans Holiday (left voluntarily) (3 votes [5.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.00%

  2. Halcyon (left voluntarily) (6 votes [10.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.00%

  3. CDSwamp (banned) (27 votes [45.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 45.00%

  4. Other (please give name) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. No, I cannot think of anyone who I would not want invited to return to GEI (24 votes [40.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 40.00%

To keep these sort of posters onboard, we need to... (multiple choice)

  1. Be more tolerant and respectful to other posters (35 votes [37.63%])

    Percentage of vote: 37.63%

  2. Have tighter moderation (7 votes [7.53%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.53%

  3. Have looser moderation (3 votes [3.23%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.23%

  4. Have more moderators, especially in the European timezone (13 votes [13.98%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.98%

  5. Have a set of rules, with quick 1-2 day bans, if broken (19 votes [20.43%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.43%

  6. More ideas - see my post (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. Nothing needs changing, some folks are too thin-skinned (12 votes [12.90%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.90%

  8. None of the above / or No opinion (4 votes [4.30%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.30%

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#1 DrBubb

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Posted 17 November 2009 - 08:11 AM

I plan to send an email, inviting back certain valued GEI posters, who have left voluntarily

I thought it might be useful to have a poll, to show them how much support they have here, so please do vote.

=== from the Flaming thread ===

QUOTE (G0ldfinger @ Nov 17 2009, 03:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We need RH and Halcyon back*, otherwise we'll turn into a crowd of gold-blinded lemmings leaping off into the hyper-deflationist abyss (or so I believe RH would formulate it).
* I'm serious.


I agree.
They are missed.
Perhaps I should test this with a poll...?

I also want to know what we need to do to keep such valued posters onboard
The market is "bipolar", swinging back and forth from a focus on Inflation to Deflation. Bet on swings; and stay flexible. What are bipolar markets? See: http://tinyurl.com/GEI-Manix

#2 grumpy-old-man

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Posted 17 November 2009 - 08:17 AM

QUOTE (DrBubb @ Nov 17 2009, 08:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I plan to send an email, inviting back certain valued GEI posters, who have left voluntarily

I thought it might be useful to have a poll, to show them how much support they have here, so please do vote.

=== from the Flaming thread ===



I agree.
They are missed.
Perhaps I should test this with a poll...?

I also want to know what we need to do to keep such valued posters onboard


having a few issues Dr Bubb ? I have noticed your site has been very quiet since certain members left. People like controversy & difference of opinion, it gives you more chance to learn.
I don't ever want to post on a site that only likes people with the same point of view as I am then probably missing important info. Same goes for precious metals sites, I like the contrarian pov on those sites, keeps me thinking and learning.

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Posted 17 November 2009 - 09:01 AM

QUOTE (grumpy-old-man @ Nov 17 2009, 08:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
having a few issues Dr Bubb ? I have noticed your site has been very quiet since certain members left. People like controversy & difference of opinion, it gives you more chance to learn.
I don't ever want to post on a site that only likes people with the same point of view as I am then probably missing important info. Same goes for precious metals sites, I like the contrarian pov on those sites, keeps me thinking and learning.


Nice to see you still posting here GOM.



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Posted 17 November 2009 - 09:13 AM


Contrarian views are essential in this forum, it’s a stabilizing mechanism.

Ah, the 21st Century; it's not all HAL and obelisks.

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Posted 17 November 2009 - 09:40 AM

QUOTE (PricedOutNative @ Nov 17 2009, 09:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Contrarian views are essential in this forum, it’s a stabilizing mechanism.


Contrarian views, yes. Playground name calling and the like, no.
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Posted 17 November 2009 - 09:41 AM

QUOTE (grumpy-old-man @ Nov 17 2009, 04:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
having a few issues Dr Bubb ? I have noticed your site has been very quiet since certain members left. People like controversy & difference of opinion, it gives you more chance to learn.
I don't ever want to post on a site that only likes people with the same point of view as I am then probably missing important info. Same goes for precious metals sites, I like the contrarian pov on those sites, keeps me thinking and learning.


Not my "issues". This was raised by other posters, and I happened to agree that these two deserved to be invited back.

Definitely, the site is quieter in the Far East timeframe without RH. But it is the quality of his postings in that timeframe that I miss, not the mere traffic

I agree with you about differing POV from a variety of posters

The market is "bipolar", swinging back and forth from a focus on Inflation to Deflation. Bet on swings; and stay flexible. What are bipolar markets? See: http://tinyurl.com/GEI-Manix

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Posted 17 November 2009 - 09:43 AM

QUOTE (grumpy-old-man @ Nov 17 2009, 09:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
having a few issues Dr Bubb ? I have noticed your site has been very quiet since certain members left. People like controversy & difference of opinion, it gives you more chance to learn.
I don't ever want to post on a site that only likes people with the same point of view as I am then probably missing important info. Same goes for precious metals sites, I like the contrarian pov on those sites, keeps me thinking and learning.


Hi GOM

You may have a point but equally, people don't want to read through pages and pages of rant. I for one have enjoyed the forum a lot more recently.

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Posted 17 November 2009 - 09:44 AM

I did not know those two had left.

What caused their departure?

If they are lurking, maybe they can come back and tell us.

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Posted 17 November 2009 - 10:39 AM

QUOTE (Member100 @ Nov 17 2009, 09:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I did not know those two had left.

What caused their departure?

If they are lurking, maybe they can come back and tell us.


I agree that it would be very nice to have RH & Halcyon back, but unfortunately I personally believe they have both left for good.

Just a personal opinion but I think Halcyon left because he was rather poorly treated by a couple of GEI members who refused to engage in sensible discussion but rather rubbished his alternative viewpoints. I reckon RH noticed this and maybe that added to a frustration that had been building. RH did tell me he noticed a building lack of civility here and that he felt he had outgrown it.

One thing is for sure, if everyone is singing the same tune, then this site will be less interesting.

Going forward I suggest we keep an eye out for posters with an intelligent viewpoint and try and make them welcome
Inflation / Deflation ?? How about STAGFLATION everyone is right but everyone is wrong!
- (Update) Everyone wrong...... except Goldman Sachs apparently !!!!!!!

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Posted 17 November 2009 - 10:41 AM

+ what happened to Hollandpark - used to be busy here, last post 24Aug 2009
Inflation / Deflation ?? How about STAGFLATION everyone is right but everyone is wrong!
- (Update) Everyone wrong...... except Goldman Sachs apparently !!!!!!!

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Posted 17 November 2009 - 10:42 AM

Bring them all back imho. Perhaps look into "posting holidays" should someone continually break the Gentleman's code on GEI. It sure would be dull on here if everyone agreed in a happy clappy manner all the time. Is it possible to add users to an ignore list on GEI should they become tiresome?


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Posted 17 November 2009 - 11:14 AM

QUOTE (Concrete Jungle @ Nov 17 2009, 10:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Bring them all back imho. Perhaps look into "posting holidays" should someone continually break the Gentleman's code on GEI. It sure would be dull on here if everyone agreed in a happy clappy manner all the time. Is it possible to add users to an ignore list on GEI should they become tiresome?

Yes. Click "MyControls" then "Manage ignored users" in the bottom left menu panel.

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Posted 17 November 2009 - 11:22 AM

You have chosen to ignore all posts from: igglepiggle.

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Thanks - I thought it was done by clicking on the poster and adding them to your ignore list that way. Rather than going in via my controls.



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Posted 17 November 2009 - 01:18 PM

To be of real value as a medium of an exchange of minds and ideas the forum HAS to be open to ALL willing contributors people should put away their EGo'S and come here to exchange ideas and challenge their own preformed/indoctrinated views/beliefs.That is when real learning and knowledge is acquired.If people take offence to other posters the REMEDIES are already there to deal with the issues i.e ignore button and/or the complaints thread.Grow up people collect all your rattles put them back in the pram and lets all start educating each other.As for swampy's ban that is a joke i have asked 3 times for the offensive posts to be detailed so as there is clear and conscise understanding of the supposed inapropriate posts language etc the FACT that no one can be bothered to detail these posts says it all.


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"Reading, after a certain age, diverts the mind too much from its creative pursuits. Any man who reads too much and uses his own brain too little falls into lazy habits of thinking."

"A human being is part of a whole, called by us the Universe, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings, as something separated from the rest--a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circles of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty."

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Posted 17 November 2009 - 01:29 PM

QUOTE (fitkid @ Nov 17 2009, 01:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
To be of real value as a medium of an exchange of minds and ideas the forum HAS to be open to ALL willing contributors people should put away their EGo'S and come here to exchange ideas and challenge their own preformed/indoctrinated views/beliefs.That is when real learning and knowledge is acquired.If people take offence to other posters the REMEDIES are already there to deal with the issues i.e ignore button and/or the complaints thread.Grow up people collect all your rattles put them back in the pram and lets all start educating each other.As for swampy's ban that is a joke i have asked 3 times for the offensive posts to be detailed so as there is clear and conscise understanding of the supposed inapropriate posts language etc the FACT that no one can be bothered to detail these posts says it all.


"Your mind is like a parachute. It only works if it is open."

Anthony J. D΄Angelo

"The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing. One cannot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life, of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity."

"Reading, after a certain age, diverts the mind too much from its creative pursuits. Any man who reads too much and uses his own brain too little falls into lazy habits of thinking."

"A human being is part of a whole, called by us the Universe, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings, as something separated from the rest--a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circles of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty."

Albert Einstein


100% Good Quality Post!

Love the "Your mind is like a parachute. It only works if it is open." and will try and keep true to it and myself.

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Posted 17 November 2009 - 02:39 PM

Everyone constructs an imperfect model of the world in their own mind through a narrow tunnel of the senses. If we recognise how limited our view is, we can begin to learn. A forum that is designed for economic discussion will attract mainly those people concerned with acquiring wealth but also some who may be interested in economics only as a part of the greater picture of human behaviour.

Life changes, interests diverge, people move on. I find fewer interesting views here of late. With a system in place where posters are encouraged to 'run off and tell Mum' that another poster has upset them or used 'naughty' words, a bland arena is assured.
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Posted 17 November 2009 - 03:18 PM

QUOTE (Schaublin @ Nov 17 2009, 10:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Everyone constructs an imperfect model of the world in their own mind through a narrow tunnel of the senses. If we recognise how limited our view is, we can begin to learn. A forum that is designed for economic discussion will attract mainly those people concerned with acquiring wealth but also some who may be interested in economics only as a part of the greater picture of human behaviour.

Life changes, interests diverge, people move on. I find fewer interesting views here of late. With a system in place where posters are encouraged to 'run off and tell Mum' that another poster has upset them or used 'naughty' words, a bland arena is assured.


I think maybe people have been overly focus on the Precious metals trade, and less interested in other issues.

For example, the best and most in depth comments on Buffett versus the Soccer Moms article were posted
by Yelnick on his Blog (well worth a read!), and not on GEI. But it started as a GEI posting.

Surviving Collapse of the Tape Worm economy got far fewer hits and posts than it deserved IMHO.
Perhaps the strange title put people off?
The market is "bipolar", swinging back and forth from a focus on Inflation to Deflation. Bet on swings; and stay flexible. What are bipolar markets? See: http://tinyurl.com/GEI-Manix

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Posted 17 November 2009 - 03:51 PM

There is a strange idea existing on this board that when somebody insults you and you you tell them to go to hell that it somehow means that the insulter is victorious

In a real life situation the insulter would be punched to the ground

But here these idiots get a huge cheer

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Posted 17 November 2009 - 03:55 PM

QUOTE (DrBubb @ Nov 17 2009, 04:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think maybe people have been overly focus on the Precious metals trade, and less interested in other issues.

For example, the best and most in depth comments on Buffett versus the Soccer Moms article were posted
by Yelnick on his Blog (well worth a read!), and not on GEI. But it started as a GEI posting.

Surviving Collapse of the Tape Worm economy got far fewer hits and posts than it deserved IMHO.
Perhaps the strange title put people off?


The Tapeworm economy thread was very interesting.

I think the problem is that it is very cheap and easy to deal with metals on Gold Money and Bullion Vault. It does not take much thinking or analysis. Many of the posters (me included) maybe do not have the time to do the work required to make trading in stocks profitable.
I do think we need a balance of views. For me the site is best for Elliot wave analyses, doomsday scenarios, how to protect yourself from inflation / deflation, the housing market and also the Trading Diary.

The site appeals to me less when politics is discussed as I think there is an imbalance in favour of libertarians and anarchists and a more centrist or left wing position is drowned out.

But for financial matters there is plenty of good advice and information here.

I would invite everyone back and see what happens. I do not really see why some people were banned and others weren't. Also I would like to see RH, GOM, CGNAO and CD Swamp start to post again.

Maybe a category could be created (something like Trolls but not Trolls) for people who go off the rails and become abusive. This can serve as a warning to people and those who choose to can ignore them?

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Posted 17 November 2009 - 04:03 PM

QUOTE (DrBubb @ Nov 17 2009, 04:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think maybe people have been overly focus on the Precious metals trade, and less interested in other issues.

For example, the best and most in depth comments on Buffett versus the Soccer Moms article were posted
by Yelnick on his Blog (well worth a read!), and not on GEI. But it started as a GEI posting.

Surviving Collapse of the Tape Worm economy got far fewer hits and posts than it deserved IMHO.
Perhaps the strange title put people off?


I think the 'tapeworm' thread is most excellent but it has a lot of material which needs time to absorb. For those in a hurry it is difficult to shuck in a quick comment compared to PM's which have people drooling at the mouth, very emotional etc... Personally I find these survivalist threads fascinating but difficult to respond to quickly. They are character forming in nature and the PM threads are full of quick commentaries and wealth preserving/accumulating/trading views.
Churchill had the same problem warning the population of GB for years about war, then about the 'iron curtain'. He was labelled a war monger and ignored until the King called on him as the only voice of reason after all else failed. We all know the rest. So don't be disheartened by clicks and hits. People will become interested in other issues after they have loaded up on metals. Maybe a resource page for reference needs to be made where all these other interesting ideas are stored before they disappear. BFC, Iceland, Tapeworm etc... To my mind it is well worth planning for after the consequences of the mess we are in, today. Be it BFC or hyperinflation, deflationary depression, global financial holocaust, gliding down to zero or whatever. PM's feature here but so too does land, food, oil use, friends, communities, tribes and all the rest, not forgetting Manic Swings... wink.gif
Keep pumping good threads Dr.B.
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