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[DrBubb]

The Coming War : Eyes on Iran & Israel

The elites want it so bad, that they can almost taste it.

It will channel the rising anger (OWS) and allow them to tighten their grip on power.
Will we (the People) allow this another time?  Or will we stop it?

Timing: Late 2012, or 2013... as anger and potential rebellion escalates in 2012, as the world heads down into another global recession.

DrBubb, on 14 November 2011 - 09:45 AM, said:

Charles Nenner predicted the downturn - and also Major WAR in about one year



July update


"A bounce in stocks... But no Major Low until 2012"
"They are going to totally fail in Europe."
"Dow at 5,000 in three years or so."

[DrBubb]

All War-Mongers?



Will the sole exception of Ron Paul?

Oh, how I miss the truth-telling father of Mitt Romney, the former governor of Michigan



"I no longer believe it was necessary for us to get involved in Vietnam."

Gov. George Romney went to Vietnam, and returned talking about how they had "brain-washed" him.

If only his son had similar courage!

[DrBubb]

If Israel attacks Iran, or vice-versa, then the USA and Europe will quickly be dragged in the War.

China takes much oil from Iran, and so they would be likely to get dragged in too, but on the other side. And Russia would almost certainly join its ally China.

This would be a disaster for a World running into Peak Oil, and finding its water resources are being over-used.

[John Doe]

DrBubb, on 14 November 2011 - 01:45 PM, said:

If Israel attacks Iran, or vice-versa, then the USA and Europe will quickly be dragged in the War.

China takes much oil from Iran, and so they would be likely to get dragged in too, but on the other side. And Russia would almost certainly join its ally China.

This would be a disaster for a World running into Peak Oil, and finding its water resources are being over-used.

Unlikely scenario.

Israel is not capable of mounting attack on its own at present. It would need the USA at least.

Then perhaps a coalition of the willing type grouping would emerge.

China isn't daft. It knows it's not in its interest to go to war with USA, and it knows that if it did, it would lose big time.

However, it might perhaps use the opportunity to get a few things it does want, like Taiwan?

All these possibilities have probably been discussed many times already, and agreements will be in place before anything happens (though they might keep the rhetoric up in public).

They all realised many years ago, that MAD was indeed mad.

[50sQuiff]

So if Nenner's cycle comes in then we can expect an Iran-themed false flag in circa October 2012. The amount of Iran chatter in the media and Republican Primaries is a bit frightening. Assuming they can keep a lid on things for another 11 months, war would be the perfect rationalisation for a monetary crisis. Bearish stocks, bullish gold and oil to the moon?

[DrBubb]

50sQuiff, on 14 November 2011 - 07:52 PM, said:

So if Nenner's cycle comes in then we can expect an Iran-themed false flag in circa October 2012. The amount of Iran chatter in the media and Republican Primaries is a bit frightening. Assuming they can keep a lid on things for another 11 months, war would be the perfect rationalisation for a monetary crisis. Bearish stocks, bullish gold and oil to the moon?

There's still time for a nice Dollar rally before that happens, or maybe as stocks slide over the next 6-9 months

[DrBubb]

THE OLD POWERS don't look so powerful, and this may encourage upstarts (like Iran)

Kissinger last week desperately tried to orchestrate a series of assassinations in the hope of somehow turning the situation around. This writer was once again last week targeted by people hired by Kissinger.

However, Kissinger has been told to back off and his orders are not being obeyed.

“President” Obama, for his part, was the subject of severe verbal attacks at last week’s G20 meeting in France. He was told the United States was in far worse shape than Europe and that he had a lot of the blame for that, according to sources at the meeting. Obama is no longer expected to be able to complete his term as President because of the various legal actions* against his regime.

/Ben Fulford: http://kauilapele.wo...cabal-is-caput/

=== === ===

*"Legal Actions"? - Is this what he is referring to:

White Hat Report #32
- OBAMAS ARE DELIVERED A BLOW - BUSH SENIOR'S CABAL IS NEXT
Posted By: Jordon [Send E-Mail]
Date: Monday, 14-Nov-2011 13:14:26

Obama continues to travel giving speeches planning for his next election. He still has not consented and allowed any of the payments to patriotic Americans, which will get this country and the world economies back on track.
The Obamas on Wednesday, November 9th, 2011, were hand delivered the document below by high level government officials. It contains an IRS Report regarding the misappropriated funds. We want all readers to specifically note that per investigation and the document below, a large amount of funds were transferred to the Royal Bank of Canada into an account of Michelle Obama. In addition to the information the White Hats have previously reported and this document, we can further confirm that since November 9th, The Obamas have already illegally moved funds again out of these accounts.

We anticipate that Geithner will simply bury this legally filed report in a drawer. What will Obama and Michelle say when the account history of these funds is distributed to the White House staff, Congress, world leaders, our global readers and delivered into other legal authorities? The filing of this report alone to the IRS, if properly addressed, should sink him.
While we are musing over The Obamas, let us further entertain what the Bush family will think when someone begins to push to destroy the George H.W. Bush legacy over his own ill-gotten funds. These funds exceed 350 Billion Dollars deposited in various banks throughout the world, and the history of these funds is being prepared for distribution to legal authorities and for reporting to the world.

/more: http://nesaranews.bl...obamas-are.html

[DrBubb]

A War need not be triggered in Iran...

RAW INTEL
Nasty stuff is coming out of Israel that Benjamin Netanyahu is facing assassination.  This is from real intelligence community sources, not internet conspiracy chatter.  We are told Ehud Barak, Israel’s Defense Minister, is targeted also.  No explanations or “hard sell” with this.  Netanyahu would not be targeted unless his “usefulness” to globalist elements was seen as at an end.

Webster Tarpley, in a recent piece, is drumbeating the “yellow peril” issue.  He believes that China will go to war with the United States over Pakistan and that the US has been served an ultimatum by China.

“Responding to reports that China has asked the US to respect Pakistan’s sovereignty in the aftermath of the Bin Laden operation, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Jiang Yu used a May 19 press briefing to state Beijing’s categorical demand that the “sovereignty and territorial integrity of Pakistan must be respected.” According to Pakistani diplomatic sources cited by the Times of India, China has “warned in unequivocal terms that any attack on Pakistan would be construed as an attack on China.” This ultimatum was reportedly delivered at the May 9 China-US strategic dialogue and economic talks in Washington, where the Chinese delegation was led by Vice Prime Minister Wang Qishan and State Councilor Dai Bingguo.1 Chinese warnings are implicitly backed up by that nation’s nuclear missiles, including an estimated 66 ICBMs, some capable of striking the United States, plus 118 intermediate-range missiles, 36 submarine-launched missiles, and numerous shorter-range systems.”

First of all, I love Webster Tarpley like a red-headed stepchild but this piece is pure and unequivocal neocon war mongering propaganda better seen from Ann Coulter or John Hagee.
The insider word is this:  Any time you see anything about the threat of China, you are being played.  Nuff sed.

/see: http://www.veteranst...tting-the-crap/

[DrBubb]

(How China and Russia may see recent troop moves):

Obama Power Grab For Entire World Stuns Russia, China
By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers

New reports emerging in the Kremlin today from the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation Summit (APEC) in Hawaii are stating that both Russian and Chinese diplomats were “stunned” upon learning that the United States Nobel Peace Prize winning leader, President Barack Obama, has ordered US Military forces into both Nigeria and Australia in what they describe as his plan to take over the entire world for his crony-capitalist backers.

According to these reports, Nigerian military sources have confirmed Obama’s plan to deploy US Military forces in their country in yet another expansion of the Pentagon’s “Shadow War” on the African Continent designed to take control of this regions vast oil and mineral resources, and he is, also, planning on announcing during his upcoming visit to Australia the deployment of US Marine forces to ward off what the Americans are calling the “China threat.”

With more than 900 US Military bases on all seven continents, and with a defense budget that outspends all of the other nations in the world combined, Russian diplomats warn that these latest deployments “strip bear” Obama’s true intentions which they describe as being nothing short of “total world domination.”

/more:

[DrBubb]

USA, China ... Tension rising

(1)
Obama Puts U.S. Approach to China on New Path

President Barack Obama’s pivot toward Asia is shifting the U.S. approach to China by teaming up with its neighbors to press the world’s second-largest economy to “play by the rules.”

During a trip that began in Hawaii Nov. 11, Obama announced steps to expand trade and military cooperation with Asia-Pacific nations that share U.S. concerns over China’s policies on currency valuation, intellectual property and territorial claims. Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton met with Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao today in Bali, the final leg of the journey.

“U.S. pressure on China has intensified,” said Tim Condon, Singapore-based head of Asian research at ING Groep NV (INGA), saying the shift has “startled” the Chinese. “China can’t ignore the U.S. stance. The only question is how they interpret it.”

/more: http://www.bloomberg...-new-path.html#


(plus, these articles from today's SCMP):

(2)
Wen speech cosies up to ASEAN and warns off US

In a speech offering ASEAN nations the carrot of economic aid and co-operation of continuing friendship, Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao warned against "external forces" interfering in territorial disputes in the South China Sea. "Outside forces should not get involved under any excuse," he told a summit in Bali,

(3)
Docking points way forward

Nation sees successful unmanned Shenzhou 8 mission as a step toward a future space station

The Shenzhou 8 craft parachuted to ground in the mainland after two weeks in space... It docked twice with the Tiangong 1 module, which remains in orbit...

"We welcome colleagues and experts in the space field to join us in developing and operating this space station..."

The country launched an independent space programme after beingh rebuffed in its attempt to join the international station, largely on objections from the US, which is wary of the Chinese programme's military links and the sharing of technology with its chief economic and political rival.

[DrBubb]

NEW REALITY : USA Turns towards China

The Pentagon, at least, has shown it knows what the future holds. The fact of the matter is that the center of gravity of the world has shifted to Asia and the United States military industrial complex needs to attach itself to Asia in order to survive. The decision announced last week to permanently station US troops in Australia is part of a shift from defending Europe from Russia to defending the Chinese periphery from China. Countries like Vietnam, Korea, Japan and Thailand appreciate the economic good times the China boom has brought them but they are also willing to hire US troops to ensure their independence.

The Chinese, for their part, understand that time is on their side and the wiser leaders there accept the need for a gradual transition of the US military industrial complex into a peaceful organization devoted to planetary defense and exploration of the universe.

All that said, the current US regime is in no position whatsoever to lecture China about human rights when Obama himself has declared the right to kill American citizens without any trial or legal process. The so-called Patriot act in the US is identical to the Nazi fascist constitution and the fact of the matter is US is now ruled by a fascist regime. Democracy is not possible in the US with rigged electronic polling and when over 90% of the media there is owned by five companies all controlled by the fascist oligarchs.

/Ben Fulford: http://kauilapele.wo...n-empty-handed/

[underling]

DrBubb, on 22 November 2011 - 11:05 AM, said:

The Pentagon, at least, has shown it knows what the future holds. The fact of the matter is that the center of gravity of the world has shifted to Asia and the United States military industrial complex needs to attach itself to Asia in order to survive. The decision announced last week to permanently station US troops in Australia is part of a shift from defending Europe from Russia to defending the Chinese periphery from China. Countries like Vietnam, Korea, Japan and Thailand appreciate the economic good times the China boom has brought them but they are also willing to hire US troops to ensure their independence.

Just my thoughts ........

This statement to me is a prime example of the xenophobic language of western media created to demonize China in the mind of the public. To the best of my knowledge China has not exhibited any great intention to threaten militarily the peripheral countries mentioned (outside of what is in their eyes their historic territories, say Taiwan as an example) except in defence against military manouvering by what they see as a dangerous, expansionist and aggresive U.S. It seems to me that the U.S is desperate to provoke a new cold war with China ultimately to hinder China's growing strength and influence. I'm reminded of the quote .........

"It is perfectly alright to cast the first stone if you have more than the other person"

[callmejoe]

http://globalresearc...xt=va&aid=27854

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Is Britain plotting with Israel to attack Iran?
Ex-ambassador exposes government cover-up

Last February Britain’s then defense minister Liam Fox attended a dinner in Tel Aviv with a group described as senior Israelis. Alongside him sat Adam Werritty...

According to several reports in the British media the Israelis ... were representatives of the Mossad .... while Fox and Werritty were accompanied by Matthew Gould, Britain’s ambassador to Israel. A former British diplomat has now claimed that the topic of discussion that evening was a secret plot to attack Iran.

.... Craig Murray, Britain’s former ambassador to Uzbekistan until 2004, when he turned whistle blower on British and US collusion on torture

.... The real concern among government officials, Murray said, is that Fox, Werritty and Gould were conspiring in a “rogue” foreign policy – opposed to the British government’s stated aims – that was authored by Mossad and Israel’s neoconservative allies in Washington.

This suspicion was partially confirmed by a report in the Guardian last month .... It cited unnamed government officials saying they were worried that Fox and Werritty had been pursuing what was termed an “alternative” government policy.

Murray said the Tel Aviv dinner was especially significant. His contact ... had told him that the discussion that night focused on ways to ensure Britain assisted in creating favourable diplomatic conditions for an attack on Iran.

....The episode of the Tel Aviv dinner, Murray said, raises “vital concerns about a secret agenda for war at the core of government, comparable to [former British prime minister Tony] Blair’s determination to drive through a war on Iraq.”

The Guardian revealed this month that the defense ministry under Fox had drawn up detailed plans for British assistance in the event of a US military strike on Iran, including allowing the Americans to use Diego Garcia, a British territory in the Indian ocean, as a base from which to launch an attack.

.... David Cameron ... has so far refused opposition demands to hold a full public inquiry into Fox and Werritty’s relationship. And the three men at the centre of the saga have refused to discuss the nature of their ties.

David Cameron would appear to be Tony Blair 2.

[DrBubb]

Comment on rising tensions between Israel and Iraq - right at beginning



Jerry Corci: "It's 3 seconds to midnight before war starts."

[G0ldfinger]

"China will not hesitate to protect Iran even with a third World War"

[John Doe]

G0ldfinger, on 01 December 2011 - 08:41 PM, said:

"China will not hesitate to protect Iran even with a third World War"

  Yeah right  

[DrBubb]

Now, TIME Magazine is on the case...

After the Embassy Attack: Are Iran and the West Lurching Toward War?
Posted by Tony Karon Thursday, December 1, 2011



The prospect of Iran and its Western adversaries stumbling into a military confrontation that neither side wants seems worryingly less improbable by the day. And if they do, each side will have plenty of evidence at hand to blame the other for instigating the conflagration. The latest round of brinkmanship, this week, came in the form of dramatic piece of political theater in Tehran: A group of radical activists on Tuesday stormed the British Embassy in in protest against that country's support for sanctions designed to throttle the Iranian economy. Unlike the invasion of the U.S. embassy in the same city 32 years ago, this time there were no hostages and Iranian police eventually ejected the invaders, some of them carrying off choice bits of booty such as a framed poster of a gun-toting John Travolta and Samuel L. Jackson depicted in the movie Pulp Fiction. The Iranian foreign ministry condemned the action...
. . .

But like the perennial threat of  military action by either the U.S. or Israel, the latest sanctions talk could also be designed to intimidate the Iranians or scare up support for a lesser escalation of sanctions from many of Iran's key trading partners who remain skeptical of the U.S.-led campaign.

After all, taking Iran's 2.5 million barrels a day off the world oil market would raise prices enough to tip the fragile global economy into recession. If Iran treated a blockade on its central bank as an act of war, its retaliation could include using military force to close the Strait of Hormuz through which most Gulf oil (some 40% of global output) passes on its way to market.

Read more: http://globalspin.bl.../#ixzz1fLZAot2r

[Mabon]

DrBubb, on 02 December 2011 - 04:09 AM, said:

Now, TIME Magazine is on the case...

What Time Magazine fails to mention is that Iran has to send the vast majority of its heavy crude across the straits of Hormuz.

The same straits of Hormuz its supposedly going to block with military action.

Why?

To get it processed in the refineries on the 'Arab' side of the gulf.

As they don't have the refinery capacity to do it themselves...

Meanwhile I definitely think that looting a framed picture of John Travolta is worthy of starting a war...

[sid]

a quick search Iranian Oil refining facilities (there are 9 as in 2009) & here we're.

never trust a warmonger lies, few closet zionist are around spewing their usual BS.

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National Iranian Oil Refining and Distribution Company (NIORDC) is part of the Ministry of Petroleum of Iran. NIORDC was established on March 8, 1992 and undertook to perform all operations relating to refining and distribution of oil products.

http://en.wikipedia....ibution_Company

We have all signs pointing to WW3, likes of Krugman are promoting that its good for the economy!!!

Really ?

You will have China or Russia or both involved very quickly if Iran is hit. Iran is more than capable of fighting back & hit where it hurts. Russians & Chinese have warned several times that WW3 will start & it will NOT be like any other wars. Unfortunately those ignorant promoting it don't have a clue what the outcome would be, unimaginable destruction & devastation everywhere. But it seems some in the west see war as the only way.

[marceau]

sid, on 02 December 2011 - 05:32 PM, said:

a quick search Iranian Oil refining facilities (there are 9 as in 2009) & here we're.

never trust a warmonger lies, few closet zionist are around spewing their usual BS.

We have all signs pointing to WW3, likes of Krugman are promoting that its good for the economy!!!

Really ?

You will have China or Russia or both involved very quickly if Iran is hit. Iran is more than capable of fighting back & hit where it hurts. Russians & Chinese have warned several times that WW3 will start & it will NOT be like any other wars. Unfortunately those ignorant promoting it don't have a clue what the outcome would be, unimaginable destruction & devastation everywhere. But it seems some in the west see war as the only way.

I think you've been listening to BS too. All of the recent WW3 noises from the Russians and Chinese have come from completely irrelevant sources.

Russia and China will NOT risk involvement in a conflict with Iran, it does not serve their strategic interests to do so. The bottom line is that they have nowhere near the military capability to offer anything but token assistance in conventional terms - and I seriously doubt they'll even offer that.

While Iran may provide far more of a challenge than Iraq did in the 90s, it will still fall quickly, and it will certainly fall on its own. A few purchased Russian S300s will make minimal difference.