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Posted 19 March 2006 - 06:39 AM

FUEL CELLS:
Employing electrochemical combustion of hydrogen with oxygen,
fuel cells are powered by gas, and will eventually be run by supplying hydrogen
directly, producing stable streams of current and emitting only water vapor and
heat. Unlike gas turbines, they are silent and require little maintenance. When
hooked up to water electrolyzers - like fuel cells run in reverse - they can also
store electricity as hydrogen, for energy that can be poured back into the system
during times of high demand. When photovoltaic panels and gas turbines are
networked with fuel cells, their efficiency and reliability soar.

Fuel Cell Related Companies: Feb.2004
Symb. FUEL CELL Cos-----Price shs. MktCap Country
AVA-- Avista Corp......$18.26 48.3 $883mn USA.... (127359) Diver.,Utility etc.
BLDP- Ballard Power....$11.54 116. $1.3Bn USA...... (6664) Fuel Cell Technology
DESC- Distr.Energy.....$ 3.39 33.9 $115mn USA... (1612191) Membrane Fuel Cells
FCEL- Fuelcell Energy..$13.18 47.7 $633mn USA.... (155901) Fuel Cell Technology
HYGS- Hydrogenics......$ 6.05 53.1 $321mn Canada. (354729) Membrane Fuel Cells
IDA-- Idacorp..........$31.64 38.2 $1.2Bn USA.... (117518) Utility w/ Hydropower
MKTY- Mechanical Tech..$ 6.05 27.6 $167mn USA...... (3057) Incubates Alter.Energy
MDTL- Medis Tech.......$14.66 24.5 $330mn USA.... (178268) Distr.of Israeli Technology
MCEL- Milennium Cell...$ 2.65 34.4 $ 91mn USA.... (182603) PureHydrogen Process
NNI-- Nelnt Inc........
PLUG- Plug Power.......$ 9.42 60.9 $574mn USA.... (159442) Fuel Cells, residential
SATC- Satcon Tech......$ 2.75 24.9 $ 68mn USA...... (9542) Natgas to Elec.conversion
UQM-- UQM Tech.........$ 2.47 19.6 $ 49mn XXX.... (453182) High Effic.Motors; hybrids?
QTWW- Quantum Fuel.....$ 9.43 31.3 $296mn XXX.... (XXX) Fuel Systems; hybrids?
EGYV- Energy Visions...$ 0.17 27.8 $4.7mn Can.?.. (XXX)
PC.v- PalcanFuelCells..C$0.39 ??.? $x.xmn Canada. (XXX) Membrane Fuel Cells

AVA-,AvistaCorp.. : BLDP,BallardPower : DESC,Distr.Energy : FCEL,FuelcellEngy :


HYGS,Hydrogenics. : IDA-,Idacorp..... : MKTY,MechanicalTec: MDTL,Medis Tech.. :


MCEL,MilenniumCell: PLUG,PlugPower... : SATC,Satcon Tech. : UQM-,UQM Tech.... :


PC.v,Palcan........:

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IMPORTANCE OF "HYDROGEN INFRASTRUCTURE"
Based on the projected high growth rate in the fuel cell industry the demand for novel hydrogen generation systems will be driven toward distributed power production, which in turn is driven primarily by the limited capacity of the existing hydrogen transmission infrastructure. At present, ground distribution costs can represent more than 99% of the total cost of hydrogen, so that generation of hydrogen at the point of use is the key to unlocking the future "hydrogen economy". The fuel cell market is typically broken into three market segments, this being stationary, portable and automotive applications

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LINKS
Technosanity Hydrogen Econ.: http://technosanity....ogen/index.html
Fuel Cell Resources (Links): http://www.fuelcell-resources.com/
Fuel Cell Today (News).....: http://www.fuelcelltoday.com/index/
Tidepool News summary......: http://www.tidepool.org/home.html
Main WIND thread...........: http://www.advfn.com...php3?id=2169731
Message Boards..: Yahoo/Electronic_Instruments
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Posted 19 March 2006 - 04:01 PM

Found the following on ADVFN:

Ceramic Fuel Cells Ltd - AIM:CFU Has risen from IPO 2 (March 2006) price of 21.25p to latest 33p will it continue ??

Ceramic Fuel Cells::::::a crowded marketplace? (CFU)

Website: http://www.cfcl.com.au

Full 127 page Placing document:
http://www.cfcl.com....66_20060227.pdf
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From the website:

Our unique fuel cell design, is based on work done within the leading Australian institution, the CSIRO (Commonwealth Science and Industry Research Organisation), from which the Company spun off in 1992 with the support of many contributing partners before listing on the Australian Stock Exchange in 2004. In that time we improved the design, systems and product configuration of our solid oxide fuel cells, whilst winning an international reputation in our field..............


Another interesting fuel cell company is CERES AIM:CWR There share price has doubled since the begining of January but I can't decide if this is just a ramped bubble that will burst or if they really have made a break through in ceramic fuel cells.

It is suggested on ADVFN that Ceres results will be announced tommorrow Monday 20 March - if CWR results are good then CFU could also see a leg up, both are on my watch list.

Dr Bubb are you aware of which ceramic fuel cell manufactures in the States are currently best value?, what do you think of these two?

Ceres Power

Ceres Power develops 1 kW micropower fuel stack able to run average home

LONDON (AFX) - AIM-listed Ceres Power Holdings plc said it has successfully
designed, built and tested a 1 kilowatt fuel cell stack generating sufficient
power for the average home.
It said the Ceres Stack is smaller and lighter than a typical car battery.
It is designed to be reliable, robust and economical, lending itself to rapid
mass market uptake.
CEO Peter Bance said: "As concerns grow over rising utility bills, security
of energy supply and how to meet environmental targets, the opportunity for
Ceres to build its business and create further value for shareholders has never
been better."
The company said the UK Government has identified micropower generation as a
core technology within national energy policy.
The Ceres Stack incorporates breakthrough savings in size, weight, component
count and production cost, whilst improving product performance, the company
said.
Its technology allows the fuel cells to start up and shut down rapidly and
repeatedly, withstand mechanical shock and have very long lifetimes under
realistic operating conditions.

LONDON (AFX) - Ceramic Fuel Cells made headway, climbing 2-3/4 pence to
29-3/4 after Ambrian Research pointed out the discrepancy in valuation between
the company and Ceres Power.
Ceres recently successfully tested a 1kw fuel cell stack, but CFC has also
developed a 1kw stack that generates sufficient power for the average home.
Unlike Ceres' product, CFC's is being tested by several utility firms and,
as such, Ambrian estimates CFC is three years ahead of Ceres but notes that it
is worth almost 100 mln stg less.


Voller Energy have been mentioned in Moneyweek a few times

Voller appear to be more of a recovery play

ADVFN: You may be right in your assessment of VLR, but somehow I doubt it.
The difference between VLR and the 'other' quoted fuel cell companies (CWR, CMF, CFU, ITM, PYF, etc) is that these are developing new products, new technology.
Some may be duds, some rocket, as you put it.
VLR is more an 'enabler' taking existing technology and trying to add value by engineering the product.
That at least suggests it will be the tortoise, against one or two hares in the sector.

ITM Power

ITM now breaking out past 220p

LONDON (AFX) - Fuel cell technologies company ITM Power PLC said recent cost
reductions achieved with its electrolysers increase the company's prospects of
producing hydrogen at competitive prices.
In a technical update, the company said the 'significant' cost cuts were
achieved by the application of new chemistry advances to the membranes and
catalysts of the electrolyser system, which converts electricity and water into
hydrogen and oxygen.
"This development increases the likelihood that ITM will be able to produce
cost competitive hydrogen," said ITM CEO Jim Heathcote. "We believe that further
cost reductions are possible."
ITM said it has filed patents covering the membrane technology essential to
this development.


CMR FUEL CELLS:::small ones (AIM:CMF)

CMR Fuel cells has had a rocky ride since its IPO Dec 2005 from 190p up to 270p then back down to 200p now recovering at 220p could be a lesson for what may happen with CFU who knows?

CMR Fuel Cells Limited is a UK developer of fuel cell stacks for portable and small stationary power generation applications. The company intends to become a leading supplier of fuel cell technology and products, based on its simple but revolutionary stack architecture and through its relationships with other key organisations.
Website: http://www.cmrfuelce...cm?subsite=6322


Fuel-cell membranes - breakthrough or pie-in-the-sky? (PYF)

If membrane technology is whats holding mack many fuel cell companies then perhaps PYF will hold the key as they have agrements with several other manufacturers although ceramic cells do not all appear to need, membranes could be wrong on that though!

*PolyFuel is currently working with 17 of the leading fuel cell system
developers. 11 are divisions of household brand name consumer electronics manufacturers, and fifteen of the seventeen are now testing or have tested PolyFuel’s fuel cell membrane material. Of the 15, eleven have completed their evaluation testing and all eleven have gone on to purchase PolyFuel’s membrane products. Five of the largest Japanese and Korean consumer electronics companies now rank PolyFuel’s membrane as the best portable fuel cell membrane available in the world today..


*Fuel cell development has historically been held back by inadequate
membrane technology. PolyFuel has changed this by achieving a number of
major breakthroughs with its hydrocarbon membrane technology, which have
involved significant improvements in efficiency and performance over other
fuel cell membrane technologies. PolyFuel has 22 patent applications that
are expected to issue between 2005 and 2007.



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Posted 19 March 2006 - 04:44 PM

Interesting, CeresPower has some nice fuel cell technology that uses NG in a domestic CHP situation (and LNG in remote power applications), so is competing in this domestic market against Stirling engine technology (also to some extent normal condensing boilers, although these obviously don’t generate electricity). The idea of “clean” in this case must mean “no sulphur” but plenty of CO2, so not specifically a low-carbon technology, or even a sustainable one, but generating “on site” with their technology (and reclaiming excess low-temperature heat for DHW) is probably more efficient then burning the NG in a centralised power station and collecting and shipping the electricity. There is obviously a market opportunity to sell a “Green” CHP bolt-on when UK consumers upgrade their old central heating boilers (UK boiler churn rate is quite high) but the costs again are relatively expensive, depending crucially on supporting grants to be “economic” and it still takes a long time to recover the capital costs.

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Posted 19 March 2006 - 05:37 PM

Interesting, CeresPower has some nice fuel cell technology that uses NG in a domestic CHP situation (and LNG in remote power applications), so is competing in this domestic market against Stirling engine technology (also to some extent normal condensing boilers, although these obviously don’t generate electricity). The idea of “clean” in this case must mean “no sulphur” but plenty of CO2, so not specifically a low-carbon technology, or even a sustainable one, but generating “on site” with their technology (and reclaiming excess low-temperature heat for DMW) is probably more efficient then burning the NG in a centralised power station and collecting and shipping the electricity. There is obviously a market opportunity to sell a “Green” CHP bolt-on when UK consumers upgrade their old central heating boilers (UK boiler churn rate is quite high) but the costs again are relatively expensive, depending crucially on supporting grants to be “economic” and it still takes a long time to recover the capital costs.


I was listening to a radio 4 programme last Tuesday PM discussing the use of sterling engines for generating electricity from gas in a domestic situation. The primary draw bck appeared to be the time taken for the engines to get warmed up and reach maximum efficiency, this could be an issue with condensing boilers switching on and off in small bursts to heat water. Do you think these fuel cells are able to reach peak efficiency more quikly and so overcome this problem.

It would also appear cost and durability will be key in a domestic installation so it would appear non membrane solutions offer these advantages with the bonus that they may not be dependant on supply of membranes from a third party.

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Posted 19 March 2006 - 09:36 PM

I suppose the UK domestic consumer is trying to reduce their fuel costs, currently about elec 8.0 p/kWh, gas 2.3 p/kWh, so if the gas is used mostly for heating then installing a new condensing boiler with a high efficiency of around 80-90% looks attractive. But the salesman could point out that a domestic micro-CHP is able to generate some of the electricity as well, and that’s displacing a fuel nearly four times more expensive. Although it’s not quite so clear cut, as the CHP system only produces about 10—15% electricity with the rest for hot water and heating, and with an overall efficiency of (I think, at best?) something like 85%. The CHP could be based on a Stirling engine or a fuel cell plus a reformer, both of which emit CO2, probably some NOX, but no sulphur; the green credentials come from displacing centralised generating capacity which is typically between 40% and 60% efficient (but reduced by distribution loss, 6%?). Presumably the short/intermittent operating cycle problems could erode this green claim, and the cost of the kit will be quite expensive.

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Posted 19 March 2006 - 10:46 PM

I was listening to a radio 4 programme last Tuesday PM discussing the use of sterling engines



For those wanting an explanation of how the Stirling Engine works, try this link to an educational website which markets miniature versions. The Stirling is a fascinating concept which may yet have its day.

http://www.gyroscope...sp?catalog=1014

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Posted 20 April 2006 - 10:18 PM

Green power comes of age as big investors buy into fuel cell firm

Terry Macalister
Thursday February 23, 2006
The Guardian


The Australian-based technology company Ceramic Fuel Cells said yesterday that it was raising £37m on the London Stock Exchange (LSE) to fund a new factory, probably in the north of England.
The move came just a day before a US carbon credit specialist, Econergy International, sees its shares traded on the Aim market amid soaring values for "green" power firms. Next week the LSE hosts a "new energy" seminar expected to attract big names from the investment community, such as Merrill Lynch and Rothschild.

The CFC fundraising was executed via a share-placing with institutional investors, which will give the company a market value of a little over £60m.
More than 90 new institutional investors in Britain and elsewhere in Europe as well as specialist socially responsible funds took part in the oversubscribed placing, the company said.

CFC plans to commercialise its solid oxide fuel cell technology for use in combined home heating and power systems.

Brendan Dow, chief executive, said that his company could offer greener and more efficient boilers with integrated fuel cells run on natural gas for about £3,000. This compares with the £2,000 cost of a current condensing boiler as mandated by the British government.

No decision has been taken as to where the new factory will be located in Europe but Mr Dow said there was a "very good chance" it would be in the north of England or north Wales. Up to 200 people would be employed. If successful, there could be more facilities built, Mr Dow said. CFC shares, which are already listed on the Australian market, are expected to start trading on Aim on March 2.

The company could join a growing number of companies, such as Johnson Matthey, which are producing fuel cells in Britain for household, transport or industrial use. Mounting interest in low-carbon technology has led to a stampede of tiny companies to the LSE, such as Voller Energy, which produces fuel cells for yachts, and Ceres Power.

Impax Partners, which invests in alternative energy firms and which itself listed on Aim in 2001, has trebled its funds under management to £260m in the past year alone. Ian Simms, chief executive, said: "Mainstream investors are increasingly aware of the growth opportunities in environmental markets and of our ability to seize these opportunities on their behalf."

Impax now manages money for many institutional investors such as British Airways' pension fund and Friends Provident. A seminar on renewable companies held at the LSE last October attracted large City firms such as Merrills and Rothschild.

Big industrial groups such as GE of the United States and Germany's Siemens have expanded into this sector by taking over smaller alternative power firms.

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Posted 20 April 2006 - 10:43 PM

For those wanting an explanation of how the Stirling Engine works, try this link to an educational website which markets miniature versions. The Stirling is a fascinating concept which may yet have its day.

http://www.gyroscope...sp?catalog=1014


Great link, I'm tempted to buy one of those!

I agree that anything that runs on a temperature difference has potential. The advantage with this technology is that you could exploit geothermal energy, and even bury them in exhausted mine workings for bigger temperature differences and with fewer environmental problems. Obviously higher implementation costs there and how efficient are they? Also, how deep would you have to go to run them efficiently?

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Posted 13 June 2006 - 02:30 AM

personally ACTA.L is the only New Energy tech company I think is worth investing in right now.

Direct Ethanol Fuel Cells ( run your electric car on 100% ethanol )
Direct Gasoline Fuel Cells ( ditch your lead acid battrey Gasoline hybrids are go )
Direct Methanol Fuel Cells.

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Posted 01 August 2006 - 02:58 PM

As a matter of interest, does anyone know what the typical efficiency is of the hydrogen fuel cell process?
Energy in (to make the hydrogen)/Energy out (from the fuel cell)

BTW another link for invstors is h2fc.com

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Posted 05 September 2006 - 11:11 AM

(interesting description from Qinetiq):

Replacement batteries?

It may be best to think of fuel cells systems as replacements for generators rather than batteries as systems this size have the capacity for fuel storage, delivery and conversion, with the possible addition of a fuel reformer.With this in mind it is easy to see why
industry has progressed further in larger scale applications.

Miniaturising a diesel generator is a difficult process, and miniaturising a fuel cell while retaining a high energy density and efficiency presents even greater difficulties. The goal of having a portable fuel cell that starts instantly and performs as efficiently and safely as a battery has been achieved by many developers. These fuel cells have found uses for certain applications and QinetiQ has recently demonstrated a fuel cell battery charger that charges laptop computer batteries. QinetiQ has also built a 50W man-portable PEMFC system and various miniature liquid fuelled fuel cells.

Clearly, the fuel cell research and development (R&D) community is growing in capability daily, and in the near future a company may announce to a startled world that it has developed a fuel cell device that is so small and discreet you could not tell it apart from
conventional batteries.

However, while fuel cells systems are becoming more compact, it still may be some time before we use them like we use the common battery today. The man-portable PEMFC fuel cell worn to demonstrate both commercial and military applications.


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Posted 03 December 2006 - 08:50 PM

PLUG power, which had a great trading start
...is being mentioned favorably by a tout posting ads here:

While several Fuel Cell technology stocks went public around the millennium, one company which had a different approach was quietly being funded by some of the most notable venture capital funds in the world today. These other companies some of them went to as high as $140.00 per share Est. (PLUG), and others went to around $50.00 per share (FCEL). These represent 300-500% gains for early investors who bought into the technology before it was ready.

Nea Power did not go public until 2006, saving investors hundreds of millions of dollars by waiting until they had their technology developed and ready to go to market, they must have known that the other companies would under perform in a hot race to get these new fuel cell technologies into the market.

Neah Power Systems (OTC: NPWS) ... update
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...is a fuel cell company that has the potential to make millions of users of portable technology devices very happy. It’s ideally situated to meet the needs created by the explosion in the number of portable power devices, as well as military and Homeland Security requirements. More effective power for laptops and a drastic reduction in weight and bulk that our Military and Homeland Security personal have to carry are sure to cause big smiles on the faces of users and investors alike.

...more: http://www.topwinnin...CFQhREgodlQJkHQ

THESE SMALL speculative fuel cell co's have a way of fizzling out.
This one has OVER 100 MILLION shares O/S- so I advise avoiding it

One technology that I do like the sound of is...
Protonic ceramic fuel cell
(From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

This new type of fuel cell is based on a ceramic electrolyte material that exhibits high protonic conductivity at elevated temperatures. PCFCs share the thermal and kinetic advantages of high temperature operation at 700 degrees Celsius with molten carbonate and solid oxide fuel cells, while exhibiting all of the intrinsic benefits of proton conduction in polymer electrolyte and phosphoric acid fuel cells (PAFCs). The high operating temperature is necessary to achieve very high electrical fuel efficiency with hydrocarbon fuels. PCFCs can operate at high temperatures and electrochemically oxidize fossil fuels directly to the anode. This eliminates the intermediate step of producing hydrogen through the costly reforming process. Gaseous molecules of the hydrocarbon fuel are absorbed on the surface of the anode in the presence of water vapor, and hydrogen atoms are efficiently stripped off to be absorbed into the electrolyte, with carbon dioxide as the primary reaction product. Additionally, PCFCs have a solid electrolyte so the membrane cannot dry out as with PEM fuel cells, or liquid can't leak out as with PAFCs. CoorsTek is primarily researching this type of fuel cell.

Proton Power Systems (PPS.L) ... update
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Posted 26 February 2007 - 11:13 AM

Nice article in this week's New Scientist about Ceres.

http://www.newscient...-hot-cakes.html

I like the idea of fuel cells running on a range of hydrocarbons, being used in a wide range of applications. This means you don't need to resort to generating, transporting and handling hydrogen, but you can use methanol, ethanol, nat gas etc. to generate both heat and electricity at the same time.
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Posted 09 September 2007 - 08:11 AM

Wall Street upbeat on new breed of fuel cells
Mon Sep 3, 2007 8:53AM BST / By Haitham Haddadin

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Hydrogen fuel cell makers may be seen as Wall Street pariahs but investors are now eyeing a new breed of alternative energy companies that may breathe new life into the ailing sector.

Non-hydrogen fuel cell makers -- who manufacture fuel cells powered by natural gas or other clean-burning fuels like ethanol -- have in recent years attracted investment even as industry pioneers who build fuel cells that use hydrogen have gone out of favor.

"Analysts are finally noticing that there may be commercial prospects with the non-hydrogen fuel cell makers," said Mark Henwood, managing director of Camino Energy, a California-based consultancy that tracks alternative energy stocks.

According to Henwood, Fuel Cell Energy (FCEL.O: Quote, Profile, Research), a non-hydrogen player, is now the biggest sectoral firm in terms of market capitalization, overtaking Ballard Power Systems (BLDP.O: Quote, Profile, Research), a key hydrogen fuel cell maker.

Other non-hydrogen firms such as Ceres Power (CWR.L: Quote, Profile, Research), Medis Technologies (MDTL.O: Quote, Profile, Research) and Ceramic Fuel Cells (CFU.L: Quote, Profile, Research) are among the top 10 publicly traded sector players, he added.

WHERE'S THE HYDROGEN?

The non-hydrogen segment focuses on appliances such as power generators while their rivals' thrust has been making hydrogen fuel cells for environmentally friendly vehicles.

The hydrogen fuel cell sector once seemed full of promise with grandiose government plans at the turn of the millennium Continued...

/more: http://uk.reuters.co...A32822920070903
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Posted 24 March 2008 - 03:53 PM

Watch out for news on the hydrogen fuel cell front at the upcoming National Hydrogen Association Conference in the U.S. March 30th to April 3rd.

NHA Conference website

http://www.hydrogenconference.org/



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Posted 03 June 2008 - 07:57 PM

A very interesting article from ' The Engineer' in which ITM Power CEO Jim Heathcote gives fairly detailed insights into the hows, whens and wheres of the ITM hydrogen fuel cell technology becoming commercial reality. Also gives a few costs and cost comparisons.

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The eventual aim of the deal with Roush is to produce dual-fuel commercial vehicles that go further on hydrogen than cars because they can carry bigger tanks. ITM has developed a hydrogen-fuelled Ford Focus with PhD researchers at Hertfordshire University, which it plans to launch with a refueller soon.

As well as vehicles, the Green Box could also be used to enable zero- carbon housing, which Heathcote also describes as energy independence or grid independence. Electricity from renewable sources would be used to produce hydrogen and fill a propane-style tank. A single unit could produce enough for direct cooking and heating, to use in a generator for grid- independent electricity and to fill a car.

The first systems will be commercially available this year after 10 or 15 years of development. The launch model will be able to produce hydrogen with a pressure of about 75 bar, enough to fill the car tanks Heathcote envisages. 'The higher the pressure, the more expensive it becomes,' he said. 'Commercial companies may want a lower-pressure system, but a with hydrogen compressor to take it up to 300 bar.'

ITM had a low-pressure stack using its technology independently costed and claims the unit would cost £82/kW. 'If it were 50 per cent efficient and it lasted an hour, it would cost £164 for a kilowatt-hour's worth of hydrogen,' said Heathcote. 'But the economy comes through the cost-of-life calculation — at 10,000 hours, it comes down to 3.28 cents [less that two pence] per kilowatt-hour.' Domestic electricity bills range from two to 10 pence/kWh.

ITM's initial target market will be large units to fuel vehicles for local authorities and commercial companies interested in reducing their energy dependence and to power forklift trucks that cannot use fossil fuels in an enclosed warehouse.

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http://www.theengine.../Power play.htm
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Posted 30 July 2008 - 11:12 AM

Good article on an ITM power product in ' The Economist ' ----- Hydrogen-powered cars

BREW YOUR OWN - Jul 30th 2008 - From Economist.com

http://www.economist...ory_id=11831730


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Posted 04 October 2008 - 06:53 AM

Sadly notice the vitual demise of Voller this week, don't know whether it will survive, but yet again highlights another concept story that seems to have run out of funds sad.gif
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Posted 19 March 2010 - 09:07 PM

QUOTE (walden @ Jul 30 2008, 12:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Good article on an ITM power product in ' The Economist ' ----- Hydrogen-powered cars

BREW YOUR OWN - Jul 30th 2008 - From Economist.com

http://www.economist...ory_id=11831730


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Really, really interesting article - thank you!


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Posted 15 April 2010 - 02:30 PM


ITM Power ----
Quite a dynamic rise over the last few days as a range of new hydrogen producing products are released.

Video on website explains the products:--


http://www.itm-power.com/
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